I need help choosing a ph..

[slacker86]

Ok, and when i take in lets say 8000 clean calories
and still dont gain, then what?

Everyone is different as im sure you know, do i just keep upping
the calories?

My buddy takes in 3000 calories for 6 weeks and gains 4lbs (fat im guessing by the increase in his waist size)

I take in 6000 for 6 weeks and my waist loses a half inch.

Properly measured by the way.

Ok I am pretty sure that anyone taking in over 6,000 calories will gain weight. Jay Cutler's offseason weight is around "285" and takes in about "7,600" calories based on his diet plan which apparently is very accurate to how he really does eat. Now if you are under 5 9" and over 285lbs of muscle then 8,000 calories might not be enough, but im kinda hesitant to say thats the case.

Generally yes you eat until u gain. There is no way around that unless you have hit your genetic plateau and i highly doubt that will happen sub 210lbs if you are in the 5 9-6 0" height category.

How tall are you? how much do you weigh? and whats your training experience?

[jherman08]

Roughly 5 '9 and weigh 165 lbs.
If i were making any of this up
why would i even be on here right now.

[slacker86]

how much sleep?
22grams isnt enough post workout up it to 70grams.
TRy to hit 500 grams protein A DAY.
Multivitamin etc nothing substntial ins supps should be needed.
Do you have low testosterone levels?

What training program do u use to lift?

[Tomahawk88]

How about a breakdown of what u eat on a normal day?

Maybe try a different method of training. What r u doing now?

Basically what u have said is I eat a lot and see no results...fix me.

[jherman08]

Oops skipped a thought as i was typing
I meant to add i take in 100g whey isolate daily now.
Have experimented with creatines and nitric oxides.
Havent been on any supp for 3 months and still no weight loss/gain.
Take 50g isolate in water after first body part is done
then another 50g post workout (after 2nd bodypart)

[jherman08]

I take in about 2500-3000 calories a day from fastfoods/restaurants (get take out with my grandmother daily often twice in a day)

Add in breakfast at my house, drive 30 mins to my gfs house
have a portion of what shes having for breakfast.

Eat whatever i want/can find in her house
Go to my house and eat whatever i want/can find

Eat dinner at my house
drive her home and eat dinner at her house.

Cant get more specific than that. Nothing is specific food wise
just write the caloric intake of each down.

[slacker86]

have u read about the DC training routine?

How do u train?

[hog928]

see i agree with jherman08 i am the same way i cant gain anymore and i eat more then ever there r people who stop gaining and cant keep going like others

[jherman08]

I already know what youre going to say about my training but heres goes.

Chest/tris - 3 good hours
Back/bis/forearms - 2 good hours
Legs/calves - 3 hours
shoulders/traps - 2 hours

Im guessing someones gonna say to cut my training time down
or more specifically what do you do for 3 hours..
Talking with others is a big no. Have social anxiety around others
unless its a buddy.

[slacker86]

your going to need to clean teh **** out of your diet im amazed you arent gaining fat from fast food twice a day. You arent eating well at all. You need to go into the bulking section of this and look at what people eat. Even bulking people dont eat fast food.

[jherman08]

have u read about the DC training routine?

How do u train?

Big fan of David Henry although i know Lee Priest
could easily snatch up the 202 Mr. O and will sometime in the future
but unfortunately have not looked at DC in detail.
Started looking into Hany Rambods FST7 method that created
Phil Mr olympia 2009 heath but never got into it.

[slacker86]

see i agree with jherman08 i am the same way i cant gain anymore and i eat more then ever there r people who stop gaining and cant keep going like others

I'm not saying genetics dont play a role but the first day of my diet when i start a "cut" is my favorite cause when im bulking im eating so much and drinking so much protein i feel disgusting everyday. It takes A LOT for me to gain weight and i push myself to eat and take in protein as hard as i can. Its not the heavy weight thats hard to do its the eating, diet and life outside the gym is what determines weight increases.

[Tomahawk88]

Ya u r def overtraining. After a while u r doing more harm than good.

I agree with slacker on trying DC. It will def be hard for u to adjust to since u wont be working out as often but u will def make gains. I am thinking of doing a Superdrol pulse with DC as my routine when I am finally able to bulk again.

[jherman08]

your going to need to clean teh **** out of your diet im amazed you arent gaining fat from fast food twice a day. You arent eating well at all. You need to go into the bulking section of this and look at what people eat. Even bulking people dont eat fast food.

I understand that, if i eat clean i can only manage around 3500 cals at most.
But.. If i cant gain weight the good old fashioned fat ass american way =p,
eating clean at half as many calories isnt gonna help me. Just my own logic.

[slacker86]

the 3 hours is too much after one hour straight of working out your body starts releasing cotisol, Thats a catabolic hormone, catabolic= breakdown of muscle. Ur actually making it impossible for your muscles to adequately heal and or grow.

[jherman08]

Ya u r def overtraining. After a while u r doing more harm than good.

If i thought for a second i was overtraining i wouldnt.
But if my muscle arent sore it couldnt possibly overtraining in my opinion.
could it?

Example
I do 6 sets of dumb bell curls at 50lbs for 10 reps.
Next day any normal bicep movement/daily motion is fine
but if i try to curl 50lbs there is obviously normal soreness
that should be there with proper muscle breakdown.

[slacker86]

I understand that, if i eat clean i can only manage around 3500 cals at most.
But.. If i cant gain weight the good old fashioned fat ass american way =p,
eating clean at half as many calories isnt gonna help me. Just my own logic.

lol thats where the hard part comes in Just push yourself if you are having trouble getting your eating up there at first start supoping with 2-3 weight gainer shakes a day, this will help you start getting accustomed to more calories.

[jherman08]

the 3 hours is too much after one hour straight of working out your body starts releasing cotisol, Thats a catabolic hormone, catabolic= breakdown of muscle. Ur actually making it impossible for your muscles to adequately heal and or grow.

Wouldnt i notice muscle loss/weight loss (only due to pure muscle loss)
over a 2 year period if cortisol was biting me in the ass?

[slacker86]

If i thought for a second i was overtraining i wouldnt.
But if my muscle arent sore it couldnt possibly overtraining in my opinion.
could it?

Example
I do 6 sets of dumb bell curls at 50lbs for 10 reps.
Next day any normal bicep movement/daily motion is fine
but if i try to curl 50lbs there is obviously normal soreness
that should be there with proper muscle breakdown.

No DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) actually has very little to do with size or strength. The reason you arent getting the soreness is cause the cortisol is released and its preventing your muscles from healing adequately. If your muscles where healing adequately your first or second (depending on which training routine ur doing) set should be able to go up in weight. Your weights your lifting should always be progressing upwards from week to week. IE you should be onto 55's next week. Oh and 6 sets on one bicep exercise for reps of 10??? thats just insane.

[Tomahawk88]

Just because u arent sore doesn't mean u can't be overtraining. 3 hours is def too long. U can make better gains in less time.

Cut out the fast food period. Carry around natty peanut butter with u all the time and eat that. Id suggest the smart balance. U have 5 servings of that a day and that is 1000 calories of goodness. Add in some postworkout carbs.