- 08-18-2009, 06:38 PM
Hello everyone, so im pretty new to Steroid's/prohormone's. Ive been reading alot of threads on here to brush up on my knowledge but still pretty unsure of what i should do/take.. First of im a kickboxer transitioning to mma and im moving up in weight.. Im 5'7" 130 lbs and trying to get to 140-145. my first fight isn't for another 3 months and i know im not getting tested so what would you guys recommend? Any help would be greatly appreciated.. thanks
- 08-18-2009, 09:56 PM
Epi, havoc, hdrol. phera. one of those would be a good choice to run solo for a first cycle to put on a lean 10-15 pounds. there is much to read up on tho if youre going to run it. make sure you have your pct in check and just run the chosen ph with a multi and some liver support. thats it. and that will be a great first cycle. put your time of study in with the PCT portion the cycle. thats where the real men come out to shine!
08-18-2009, 11:15 PM
08-18-2009, 11:19 PM
its called eating, dont take steroids to replace food. ur stats are weak, u need to learn how to diet properly. 4000cal a day not enough? then eat 5k....its quite simple
08-19-2009, 01:31 AM
Thanks for the responses guys.
travis.. yea i was thinking of doing Epistane or havoc, they seem to be pretty popular with people. Im deff gonna take my time and read all i can about it.. i might just do a 4-6 week cycle to get myself started and then see how things go. Im not in a huge rush to gain the weight and i dont wanna be drained for my fight.
Jack.. Well i do cut weight but in muay thai i fight at 125 so i only cut 5 pounds.. my first mma fight is at 135 so i wanna be at least 10lbs heavier than that. Im 23 and i started kickboxing when i was 16, i started training mma about 6 months ago and never really lifted weights until i started training mma.. I dont have to take the fight its my choice, my coaches just said im ready and i should do it but i really wanna do it right and gain some muscle.
nosnmiveins.. Im pretty skinny and ive been trying to put on weight for about 6 months with no real gains.. I've only been eating 3000 cal a day so i guess i should bump that up but i only have 3 months till my fight and id like to put on as much good muscle as i can... thats why i was leading towards taking something.
08-19-2009, 01:41 AM
You've only been lifting for 6 months, then you shouldn't use steroids. And no gains in those 6 months, you can plainly see what was wrong... You need to figure out proper diet and training FIRST.
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08-19-2009, 01:58 AM
man, i was uniformed of that. if youve only been lifting for 6 months than you need to stay away from anything stronger than creatine. i went 4.5 years natty before touching anything and gained 65 lbs natty in that time. and i started at 114 pounds. now thats skinny. im now 205 but only started using phs at the 180 mark. im not very many cycles in but they help. but you need to learn how to lift natty before you lift with steroids.
08-19-2009, 02:10 AM
Thanks for the advice guys, thats why i came here to find out what i should really do ... ill take my time and gain the weight naturally.
Any recommendations on some good suplements i should take??
08-19-2009, 03:06 AM
eat a TON! with mma and a fast metabolism you seriously cant eat enough. put down as much food as you can with the lowest amount of sugar content. i mean AS MUCH. i suggest 5k a day.
SUPPS. some or all of the following:
Natural test booster
Cytogainer Protein! (this would be good for you)
I dont suggest you take all these but look into them and pick the ones you think would benefit you the most I suggest for sure a multi, creatine, and cytogainer for you. that would be a good natural stack to put on some pounds
08-19-2009, 10:17 AM
08-19-2009, 10:39 AM
If you really want to gain more muscle then you need to understand that a good portion of your time will be spent preparing and eating meals. This will quickly become a pain in the *** (literally as you'll spend much more time in the bathroom). Your diet will determine your success or failure when it comes to gaining mass or loosing fat and water. Anybody can go to the gym and tear it up but it takes a lot of planning and preparation to make your workouts count. If you're not eating properly (quality, amount and frequency) then you're very nearly wasting your time at the gym (in regards to gaining LBM and strength). Check out the Training forum and the Nutrition / Health forums in here.
PH's aren't magic pills - you still have to have your diet and training down to gain. At this point your virgin muscles will gain tremendously without any anabolic help at all if you'll get your diet and training down.
08-19-2009, 07:47 PM
@ 23 I say eat a cow,a few chickens,and an ocean of fish and a ton of brown rice and oatmeal....lift heavy..sleep well...
08-20-2009, 09:02 AM
08-20-2009, 11:25 AM
Honestly, even if you took one of the many steroids out there, you might not gain a thing. They only work with food and if your diet isn't on point yet, than you should stay clear. Try this:
130( your weight) X 19(calories per pound) = 2,470 Calories to maintain your weight
Add 500 calories for a pound of muscle and Add an extra 200 calories the days you train
So, on a day you train you should roughly eat 3,170 Calories.