Best Stack for what's on hand
02-24-2004 08:47 AM
That was pretty much the same philosophy I was baseing my decision on. It appears that if this wasn't my first cycle then it wouldn't have been a problem to anyone and would be considered a "solid stack"
Originally Posted by maggmaster
02-24-2004 09:06 PM
I want to maximize my gains on my 1st AAS cycle but I am not real sure which stack would be the best for a good cutting cycle.
I really would like to start ASAP but I know it would probably be best to wait until I have some Test to throw into the mix (MattD's) recommendation. Maybe I could start with just the Tren till I get the Test in a few weeks, I don't know that's why I started this thread in the first place. It's just that this bottle of Tren keeps staring at me and won't leave me alone!
Smike don't take this as a flame. It's just my 2 cents. You clearly state that you know it would be best to wait until you have some test. I think you may be making a common mistake that is made by many first time cyclers. That is being impatient and starting a cycle with whatever they can get their hands on, instead of being patient and doing what other experienced juicers are telling them and waiting until they get the right stuff. One of the main rules of juicing is "don't start a cycle until you have everything on hand that you may possibly need"
I know how hard it can be to have juice and not use it, but if this is your first cycle it will be your best. Don't mess it up and look back on it and say "I wish I would have".
If that tren keeps calling your name, then get rid of it. Its not a drug to be using on your first cycle.
02-25-2004 12:56 AM
too many sides from tren. even after 5 cycles, i dont like using tren.
You have to learn your body before you can use tren ! although very anabolic, it has very harsh sides.
It can make you very very limp, and it doesnt rebound very fast, very bad for your social life ! NO MATTER HOW BIG YOUR ARMS ARE, WHEN IT COUNTS, AND YOU CANT PERFORM WHERE IT REALLY COUNTS, YOU CAN KEEP FLEXING YOUR ARMS !
02-25-2004 01:08 AM
I had no problem with libido when on tren.. I'm not saying to go with it, just giving my experience.. Yes, it was during my first cycle ever..
02-25-2004 07:39 AM
yeah , i disagree on the suggestion that tren isnt for a first timer . i say go for it and stack tren+test . best u can do . go for a lower dose with tren maybe (75 mg eod) .
if u want u can use a slightly higher dose of test(750 mg enanthate) per week as u are 205 lbs and 33 yrs old .
the orals , stack em as suggested above .
most important, during all this , would be the 500 gms protein , another 500 carbs and around 100 gms fat .
02-25-2004 08:02 AM
~First of all I would like to thank "everybody" for all of the support and "experienced suggesstions. I can say this with no reserve, if I hadn't of come to this board with the questions and concerns that I had then I would have surely made some regretable if not dangerous mistakes with this. You guys would be very surprised at how uninformed others out there are that have done multiple AAS cycles and are completely clueless (referring to local friends and aquantences that I have received info. on this as well). THANK YOU ALL!
~Ruffneck, hell no man. If I took what you told me as a flame (rather than informative information to help myself and well being) then I would have NO business messing around with any of these things, PH's included. So thank you for you "2 cents" and FYI I had already decided even before I created this thread that I would wait for some Test.
~CrazyNut, damn that sucks. I'm married though so I'm exempt from "performance" issues, that already exists.J/K! Seriously though what other sides did you experience besides low libido?
~raybravo, yes I think that I would benefit greatly from a responsibly dosed 1st cycle with Tren included in it. I will be taking maggmaster's rec. on doseage of everything, but I may take your suggestion on the Test and bump it too 750mg per week. As far as maintenance that is a given for me, definetly have all of that in check! Although I was figuring my protein intake at around 400-450grams per day.
02-25-2004 12:41 PM
Keto Jedi / HomeBrew Advocate
That's what my ladies tell me.........Pete.
Originally Posted by bigpetefox
02-25-2004 12:42 PM
750mg test on 1st cycle too high, go with 500.
02-25-2004 12:43 PM
u think so ? he's 33 and over 200 lbs .. thats the reason i thought he could use more .
Originally Posted by scotty2
02-25-2004 12:45 PM
Keto Jedi / HomeBrew Advocate
That's cool. I jsut liek to use caution on things, that's all.
Whatever you decide.....good luck.
02-25-2004 02:27 PM
Thanks again for the help bro!
Originally Posted by chi_town
03-04-2004 08:01 AM
Ok fellas I need this question answered right away because I am about to place my order for the "Test" and have an opportunity to choose between 2 versions. (Cypionate or Suspension). Keep in mind this will be my 1st AAS cycle so I want to maximize my potential w/o jeapordizing safety. I did a little research and it appears the Suspension is a great opt. but it is recommended to dose ED. I guess I don't mind pinning it ED if I will see significant gains from it, but I'm not sure that's why I need some help!
03-04-2004 09:18 AM
I'd prefer to find a source that carries test prop for a first cycle. That way you can pin EoD, and if you get sides it's out of your system fast.
I DEFINITELY don't recommend suspension for a first cycle.
03-04-2004 10:04 AM
Thanks a lot for responding back so quick N4cer, that's what I needed to know.
Originally Posted by N4cer
03-04-2004 10:52 AM
Suspension is pretty painful from what Ive heard. Id actually go with the cyp and just keep nolva on hand in case of sides.
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