theBIGcactus
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I would think real steroids are better then ph/precursor's, so if one was able to get ahold of real steroids would it be better then taking a ph? more gains, etc?
steroid or ph?
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From what ive read oral PH's work faster whilst AAS injectables may take weeks to kick in, M1T for example, is a 2 week cycle, it works that fast, whilst injectable AAS it is not uncommon for cycles to go to 12 weeks...
Zero V
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I think that light has been shed regardless...
theBIGcactus
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I have researched alot about ph's and taking proper pct, and know nutrition is key.. I just wanted to know what every body thought about this. And if ph's are just as strong as real steroids, and what the benefits are to choosing ph or ilegal steroids
CrazyChemist
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The truth is that the question is too ambiguous to answer directly because most people think of PHs as legally available and AAS as illegal but thats false. I think the question is actually, what are the pros and cons of the legally available products on the market versus the black market products. If that is the case then generally the following apply although there are many exceptions:
Legality: Obviously the legality of the commercialized products has the benefit of not carrying with it the potential to run into trouble. Furthermore, because the products are produced by (usually) reputable companies you know you are getting good stuff whereas black market stuff could be snake oil. Plus the legal stuff arrives on your doorstep about a week or two after ordering, you can pay with a credit card, and there is a customer service department. The illegal stuff you either need to know someone or you can play these games with overseas vendors and russian roulette with customs.
Health / Sides: Generally the legal stuff is oral, which takes its toll on the liver. However, companies like Primordial Performance (PP) have an entire line of topical creams which circumvent this issue. The illegal stuff, while some of it is oral, is usually injected and thus skips the first pass of the liver. Acne, high blood pressure, and shutdown are risks equally run with both.
Gains: While some on this site might disagree, I've never seen the gains with a PH that I've seen with a AAS. That being said, some of the designer steroids (DS) tout equal gains to the best AAS on the market. However, most of these DS come with stories of shutdown, liver toxicity, blood in the urine, etc.. It seems to me that the stronger the DS the harsher the sides, while with AAS you can dose in high amounts with relatively similar sides.
Cost: Most of the DS and PH on the market are slightly more expensive than AAS if you have the right connection. However, the pricing is not off by that much IMO.
Personal Opinion: Despite having run one of PP's topical products, 1-T Tren, and seeing better-than-expected results, my preference remains the real stuff. If you can get your hands on AAS and you can set up a cycle correctly, I think the results will be greater, the results will be more permanent, and the side effects and health risk will be lower (though always present). Unfortunately, I think it is common that cycles are NOT set up correctly and users can hurt themselves in a grave way. If you are thinking of jumping into the mix on this one, do your research. Post your newbie questions and take the flaming, ultimately you'll get your answers eventually.
Legality: Obviously the legality of the commercialized products has the benefit of not carrying with it the potential to run into trouble. Furthermore, because the products are produced by (usually) reputable companies you know you are getting good stuff whereas black market stuff could be snake oil. Plus the legal stuff arrives on your doorstep about a week or two after ordering, you can pay with a credit card, and there is a customer service department. The illegal stuff you either need to know someone or you can play these games with overseas vendors and russian roulette with customs.
Health / Sides: Generally the legal stuff is oral, which takes its toll on the liver. However, companies like Primordial Performance (PP) have an entire line of topical creams which circumvent this issue. The illegal stuff, while some of it is oral, is usually injected and thus skips the first pass of the liver. Acne, high blood pressure, and shutdown are risks equally run with both.
Gains: While some on this site might disagree, I've never seen the gains with a PH that I've seen with a AAS. That being said, some of the designer steroids (DS) tout equal gains to the best AAS on the market. However, most of these DS come with stories of shutdown, liver toxicity, blood in the urine, etc.. It seems to me that the stronger the DS the harsher the sides, while with AAS you can dose in high amounts with relatively similar sides.
Cost: Most of the DS and PH on the market are slightly more expensive than AAS if you have the right connection. However, the pricing is not off by that much IMO.
Personal Opinion: Despite having run one of PP's topical products, 1-T Tren, and seeing better-than-expected results, my preference remains the real stuff. If you can get your hands on AAS and you can set up a cycle correctly, I think the results will be greater, the results will be more permanent, and the side effects and health risk will be lower (though always present). Unfortunately, I think it is common that cycles are NOT set up correctly and users can hurt themselves in a grave way. If you are thinking of jumping into the mix on this one, do your research. Post your newbie questions and take the flaming, ultimately you'll get your answers eventually.
gibsonj4
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haha very true
RickX
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I do not agree with some things there.
* DS is shutdown ? He is a hormone (anabolic)active, as well as Anavar,Stan,Anadrol,Dianabol ...
* I have never seen cases of blood in urine or severe side even with PHS or DS.
* Gains DRY, without retention, with EAs reaches on average about 6kg.Com DS and the same thing. With Superdrol for example, you win on average 5/6kg of lean muscle mass, without any retention or fat.
Using PHs and DS already has a time and always liked the results, at least so far, I have not had any side.I did 4 cycles of EAs also a while ago, I had mild side, and the gains were approximately equal to that Superdrol for example.
* DS is shutdown ? He is a hormone (anabolic)active, as well as Anavar,Stan,Anadrol,Dianabol ...
* I have never seen cases of blood in urine or severe side even with PHS or DS.
* Gains DRY, without retention, with EAs reaches on average about 6kg.Com DS and the same thing. With Superdrol for example, you win on average 5/6kg of lean muscle mass, without any retention or fat.
Using PHs and DS already has a time and always liked the results, at least so far, I have not had any side.I did 4 cycles of EAs also a while ago, I had mild side, and the gains were approximately equal to that Superdrol for example.
Zero V
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You yourself, but I have seen enough people asking for help on sides because of their stupidity.
CrazyChemist
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Wow i'm shocked that you haven't seen much in the whole month and 18 posts you have on the forum. Stick around, blood in the urine isn't unheard of. As I prefaced my statement, those were general observations made about an immensely broad spectrum of compounds with many exceptions.
jbryand101b
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what the **** is an a.e.s.?
do you mean a.a.s? anabolic androgenic steroids?
I dont want to get into "what a pro hormone is, and pro steroid is" for those that say they've never heard the term pro steroid before.
this forum is "dedicated to the discussion of ph/ps".
anabolic hormones like test are technically steroids.
pro hormones convert into hormones the body produces naturally. exapmle, 4-andro dione/diol=test, or dhea=test or estrogen.
pro steroids convert into synthetic anabolic hormones the body can not produce naturally, like 1,4ad converts into boldenone. or estra 4 converts into dienolone.
these are pro steroids, and no, they will not be as efficiant as injecting the actually steroid.
can they be, yes, if you have enough enzymes to convert high dosages. and enough cash to buy multiple bottles.
testosterone is a steroid, yes. but in order to differentiate between safer, natural steroids, like test, it is a good idea to break apart steroid precursors like the test and dienolone.
if one doesn't, it leads consumers like this one, to be mis informed on the effectiveness/side effects of these products.
the ban is comming, no need to try to hide what all these are, steroids, or steroid precursors, all with similar gains/sides as already illegal steroids.
and a designer steroid is just a new synthesized derrivative of an already existing steroid, or older forgotten steroid never used for medical purposes.
designer steroid/pro hormone/pro steroid, they all lead us to the same goal, anabolic, androgenic effects. some more or less than others.
this is an example of how I catogorize steroids:
pro hormone: 4-ad
pro steroid: 1,4ad
designer steroid: superdrol, dymethazine, furaguno
steroid: test-e, deca, dianabol, winstrol, trenbolone
all of these are technically steroids. and anabolic hormones.
call it what you want, its anabolic androgenic steroids.
CrazyChemist
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Hey rick dude - what country are you from btw?
EasyEJL
Never enough
jbryand101b
Banned
I said that. you just re iterated it. thanks. maybe people will believe me when I say it is all steroid.
jbryand101b
Banned
testosterone converts into DHT, making it a prohormone
what does dht convert into?
jbryand101b
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"I am reiteration!"
Don't make me do it again
driving to work sucks because it's going to work.:bling:
EasyEJL
Never enough
nothing anabolic that i can think of, might be a matabolite that is tho
henryhavoc
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Cocaine
CrazyChemist
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Henry hit the nail on the head. If you want to get huge, ripped, massive and cut, just do blow all the time. Now that I think about it, its so obvious. That is why all the crackheads are so jacked...... :think:
Zero V
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Technically if you were cutting...
wolfe14
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alright guys I am an exeprienced wieght lifter but never tried PH, DS or any steroid for that matter. However i am researching the idea of starting my first cycle of something..
Just need recommendations,, not sure wether to do a PH like H-drol or havoc or buy the real gear like anavar or winstrol.. dont want to be a huge monster but do want to be very muscular and completey shreded!!!
my main question is this: i see all the websites online to buy the real gear...is that a good idea to order it online, i mean will i get the real stuff and if so what supplier would you all recommend???
thank you all for any advice
Just need recommendations,, not sure wether to do a PH like H-drol or havoc or buy the real gear like anavar or winstrol.. dont want to be a huge monster but do want to be very muscular and completey shreded!!!
my main question is this: i see all the websites online to buy the real gear...is that a good idea to order it online, i mean will i get the real stuff and if so what supplier would you all recommend???
thank you all for any advice
wolfe14
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maybe you can shed some insight you my post from ealier..
where can I get real steroids?? i see suppliers online, is that real?
Zero V
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We are NOT allowed to talk about sources, for many, many good reasons.
There are legit sources on the world wide web, but that is not for discussion. 98% of them are scammers or worse. So be careful, spend a long time researching, and act like you have a brain.
wolfe14
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I have been researching..buy can you at least tell me what to look for when selecting a legit supplier?
B5150
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Look for something - elsewhere.
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