Gyno Surgery

[swangswang]

Whats going on guys? I have not posted on here in quite some time but just giving you guys some information on the topic if any of you are interested. WHen I was 15 I got a small lump under my nipple from puberty. I have tried just about everything to rid myslef of the lump (gyno). As time has gone on, the lump has done nothing but slowly grown in size under both nipples. It has gotten to the point where not only does it physically humiliate me, it mentally frustrates me. I used to be a very confident man, but the gyno has significantly lowered my self esteem. No one has ever said anything to me about the size of my nipples, nor do I think it is very visible to the naked eye but it is a constant worry that I have in the back of my head. I was so embarrassed about the gyno it took me all this time to finally see a doctor about it. I scheduled an appointment with my regular doctor about three days. The appointment was very fast and very relieving. I had a great doctor who told me how surprised I would be to learn how many guys he treats for this kind of an issue. I was almost shocked how fast the appointment was and how relaxed the doctor was. All he really did was asked me if I wanted to get rid of it and how soon I wanted the procedure done. I replied I wanted it done ASAP but I was worried my insurance would not cover it. He told me that the insurance would approve of the surgery because there was a small chance that the lumps are not benign. He and I both knew that the lumps are benign but he said this would definitely give the insurance company reason to approve it. The doctor was even friendly enough to call the surgeon who worked in the building next door to see when I would get a consultation. I went straight from my doctor to the surgeons office to fill out my paper work immediately after my first appointment and set up a consultation for the following day. The next day I went in for the consultation and was also shocked how pain and embarrassment free the surgeon. The surgeon saw my chest, assured me it was just breat tissue under my nipples and he would gladly have me in as soon I could. I waited a day to see how much insurance would cover and they verified it would cost 20% of the procedure which is coming out to be about $700. I happen to have 700 but certainly not 4000 which is what the procedure would cost with out insurance. I will be going in in about a week and a half for the operation. Within the next few days I will be going to the hospital to give a sample of blood to make sure I am healthy for surgery. Other than that i believe I am making a life changing decision whose benefits far exceed the cost of having gyno. The surgery will take around an hour or 2 and I will be completely unconscious for the procedure. The first three days I will have to be at home with out being able to lift my arms veritcally only horizontally.I will not be able to do any strainuous activities for the first week and will not be able to work out my upper body from any where from 3-4 weeks. The doctor recommded I purchase a compression shirt(under armor like shirts) to wear for a while because it is supposed to help with healing. And to wear it under my normal shirts to keep the swelling from being visible. The doctor also told me that he will be removing both lumps fully compared to just partially which some people request for some reason? The doctor also stated that after the procedure the lumps will never return which is not what I first believed and is still something I am concerned about.

I was wondering what you guys think is the best product for hormonal regulation so after the procedure my hormones will be balanced and I wont have to worry about this type of situation ever again.Not a product that is going to increase my testosterone too much, just something that give me some type of balance.

Again I thank you guys in advance for any help, and I hope I can be of any help to any one who has any questions about a situation like this or thoughts of having this type of surgery.

 

[Zero V]

Oh mighty wall of text, I bow down before you :bow28:

lol j/k

Glad to hear you got it covered by insurance, its hard to do usually.

This following is all IMO, so take it with a grain of yummie hypertension inducing salt.

As for about if it will come back, it really shouldn't at all, but technically if he at least leaves enough material to leave structure, its possible.

As for hormone regulation...I would say take nothing. Clean up your diet, maybe a good test booster, prover vitamins and nutrition. During a healing process, other than nutrients I would usually avoid anything else.

Again all IMO guy who never sleeps(me) over and out aranoid:

 

[Chucke]

Dude! That is great news. What a relief this must be for you.

I agree with Zero - take nothing. Knowing that you have a gyno propensity I wouldn't mess around with my hormones at all - apart from the doc's advice...

 

[Iron Lungz]

If they remove the entire lump, what's the chances of it leaving a dent at the nipple. I've seen this with some, and it looks aweful. Also, I would stay clean; no reason to throw your hormone balance out of whack from the norm - that's one reason they grew in the first place.
Good luck.

 

[bioman]

Yep, stay clean and take pains to keep your E levels in check. I had a gyno lump removed and it regrew in less than a year because of naturally high aromitase levels.

 

[swangswang]

Yep, stay clean and take pains to keep your E levels in check. I had a gyno lump removed and it regrew in less than a year because of naturally high aromitase levels.

i am definitely planning on staying clean, just was wondering what a good product is for maintaining healthy estrogen levels and not much chance for rebound. I think the doc said there may be a small chance for an indentation in the nipple but he said he would try to shrink the size of the aereola to keep it from happening?

 

[Zero V]

i am definitely planning on staying clean, just was wondering what a good product is for maintaining healthy estrogen levels and not much chance for rebound. I think the doc said there may be a small chance for an indentation in the nipple but he said he would try to shrink the size of the aereola to keep it from happening?

Usually they try to leave basically....uh, think of it as a support beam of tissue to keep the nip from indenting. That tissue does have the ability to turn back into gyno.

 

[jbryand101b]

I didn't read the entire post. tmi.

I am also scheduled for gyno removal surgery, it is covered by my insurance because, "it could be cancerous, so best to remove it to be sure it's not"
doctors words.

but before I went to a specialist, my primary care phy. had a full bloodwork panel done up on me, and also had a ultra sound done so they could look at the lump.

anyways, the bloodwork all was fine, homone levels normal etc, did your doctor do this also? this would determine if you have messed up homrones, and if you did, the doc should prescribe you something legaly to control that, instead of you having to buy it off the black market, which could contain shady fillers and who knows what else. also, the doctor is going to prescribe some cream that will visibly reduce the showing of a scare.

edit: just read the post, you should have atleast hormonal bloodwork done so you know whats going on. the ultra sound is just to know it more details about the mass under the nipple. good luck. man, ur lumps must be big. one is the size of a 1/2k diamond, the other the size of a nickle, he's only removing one though since the tiny one doesn't bother me.

 

[swangswang]

I didn't read the entire post. tmi.

I am also scheduled for gyno removal surgery, it is covered by my insurance because, "it could be cancerous, so best to remove it to be sure it's not"
doctors words.

but before I went to a specialist, my primary care phy. had a full bloodwork panel done up on me, and also had a ultra sound done so they could look at the lump.

anyways, the bloodwork all was fine, homone levels normal etc, did your doctor do this also? this would determine if you have messed up homrones, and if you did, the doc should prescribe you something legaly to control that, instead of you having to buy it off the black market, which could contain shady fillers and who knows what else. also, the doctor is going to prescribe some cream that will visibly reduce the showing of a scare.

edit: just read the post, you should have atleast hormonal bloodwork done so you know whats going on. the ultra sound is just to know it more details about the mass under the nipple. good luck. man, ur lumps must be big. one is the size of a 1/2k diamond, the other the size of a nickle, he's only removing one though since the tiny one doesn't bother me.

i am having blood work done later this week a few days before the surgery. i am sure they will be testing my hormones and will later disclose the the info to me. I was just thinking of something like resveratrol that may further help balance my hrmones. The luump under my right nipple is decent sized probably the size of a dime and a half. The only prob with this is that its pretty painful to the touch. the lump under my left is much smaller and barely noticable and does not give me any pain. The doctor thinks it is best to get rid of both and I want this to be dealt with all at once and not worrya bout the left side one ever growing.

 

[Iron Lungz]

Pre-surgery bloodwork typically checks hemo/lipids/etc, not so much hormones. You need to get your Doctor to run a Hormonal Panel to check your Test/Estro/FT/TT/etc.

i am having blood work done later this week a few days before the surgery. i am sure they will be testing my hormones and will later disclose the the info to me. I was just thinking of something like resveratrol that may further help balance my hrmones. The luump under my right nipple is decent sized probably the size of a dime and a half. The only prob with this is that its pretty painful to the touch. the lump under my left is much smaller and barely noticable and does not give me any pain. The doctor thinks it is best to get rid of both and I want this to be dealt with all at once and not worrya bout the left side one ever growing.

 

[swangswang]

Hey guys, quick question. I have been reading alot of posts saying gyno can reoccur if the gland is not completely removed from the surgery. I do understand that having the whole gland removed can leave an indention in the nipple. I am scheduled for surgery 1 week from today next tuesday. My plastic surgeon told me I will never get gyno again if the whole gland is removed. If the whole gland is removed will i be able to use hormones with out the chance of reoccurring gyno?

 

[swangswang]

Hey guys just lettin you know i am going in for sugery tomorrow morning. feel free to ask questions as I go through recovery. All I have been taking presurgery is kre alkalyn, fish oils, daily Multi vitamin, L carnitine and Sesamin to try to even everything out and stay healthy.

 

[bioman]

Good luck. Took me about 3-4 weeks until I was recovered enough to lift and a full 4 months until everything felt normal. It will take some time to re-stretch the pec area to get a full range of motion.

All in all, a pretty minor surgery. I did mine with just a local...which I regret, bleh.

 

[swangswang]

JUST GOT OUT OF THE SURGERY!AWESOME! I was completely out. doctors removed the whole gland in both nipples! doctor said they should be NO indention! Short road to recovery will consist of me just try to maintain the muscle i have with aminos, multi vitamin, sesamin and a lot of protein in a clean diet! cant wait to get all this behind me and start new with a great looking chest! Thanks guys for your wishes

 

[simon1988]

any before and after pics?

 

[dkwilson16]

is gyno typical with most of these pro hormones? like what about me starting to take hdrol for the first time, could this cause it?

 

[bioman]

Any prohormone can cause, directly or indirectly, gyno for a variety of reasons. Most of those reasons revolve around disruption of your natural hormonal environment so despite what a lot of companies claim...even "dry" compounds can lead to gyno.

 

[swangswang]

Hey guys ive been out of surgery for about 4 weeks. Cant tell you how great it is to have that sh*t taken care of. Nips still are a bit sore and kind of numb but they look great. Diets been on point and have maintained alot of muscle. My nipple do NOT have the crater that many guys were talking about even though i had the whole lump removed. Any questions feel free to ask.

 

[monsterbox]

is gyno typical with most of these pro hormones? like what about me starting to take hdrol for the first time, could this cause it?

I think gyno is caused by too much manipulation and too short of PCT.

If you are using any kinda of steroid you need the following on hand at all times, NO exception:

SERM such as Nolvadex or Toremifene
Powerful AI such as ATD, Arimidex, Letrozole.


With the above, theres no reason you should get gyno. If you start feeling any sensativity during a cycle quickly pop some nolvadex and lightly administer the AI.

Also, people do not get blood work. I don't understand why. You cannot go by how you feel. People jump right back onto cycles 3-4 weeks after the last and they haven't recovered their T/E ratio. Additionally, its straight stupid to assume that everyones pct should be nolvadex 20/20/20/10. It may take much longer than that to restart your T, and if you come off the nolva too early and have an E rebound, bam, "rebound gyno"

 

[Iron Lungz]

Thanks for your narration; however, didn't you run some heavy cycles within months of one and other? Also, are you not on TRT? I believe that I read that you have very low testosterone levels.

Thanks for providing us feedback on your surgery, man.

I think gyno is caused by too much manipulation and too short of PCT.

If you are using any kinda of steroid you need the following on hand at all times, NO exception:

SERM such as Nolvadex or Toremifene
Powerful AI such as ATD, Arimidex, Letrozole.


With the above, theres no reason you should get gyno. If you start feeling any sensativity during a cycle quickly pop some nolvadex and lightly administer the AI.

Also, people do not get blood work. I don't understand why. You cannot go by how you feel. People jump right back onto cycles 3-4 weeks after the last and they haven't recovered their T/E ratio. Additionally, its straight stupid to assume that everyones pct should be nolvadex 20/20/20/10. It may take much longer than that to restart your T, and if you come off the nolva too early and have an E rebound, bam, "rebound gyno"

 

[monsterbox]

Thanks for your narration; however, didn't you run some heavy cycles within months of one and other? Also, are you not on TRT? I believe that I read that you have very low testosterone levels.

Thanks for providing us feedback on your surgery, man.

Cycles weren't heavy at all. 4 weeks havoc low dosed, 3 weeks of havoc, and messed around with PP/SD bridge over 3 weeks. I ran 3 cycles over a year. 3 months in between each time. I will not be cycling again until/unless I'm on TRT. I'm not on TRT yet, but I do have low testosterone levels. Low levels are not from cycling anabolics.

 

[Iron Lungz]

What are your low levels caused from?

 

[monsterbox]

What are your low levels caused from?

hard to say. They aren't "low", they are in range...but the range is from 250ng-1200ng and mines 575 right now. Used to average around 350 until I did 10 weeks of clomid, but I think they are dropping again.

SHBG is 30, so the free-t of that 575 total is very very low. Most alarming is my estradiol - 6!

I have a grade III varicocele and my LH average around 1.5-2.5, which is quite low, along with a low FSH and very low sperm count less than 4million/ML.

I highly, highly, doubt the low T is from my past steroid usage. I think I have idiosyncric hypopituitary to a degree and my left testicle is probably a little laggy as well. Currently, for the next 2 weeks, trying to weigh out whether or not to start legit TRT.

-symptoms are weak, sore joints.
-poor recovery from workouts (except for when I used havoc, I had insanely, unheard-of, results..which further proves that I probably had pre-existing condition)
-much lower libido than when I was a teen, and i'm only 21
-feel good in the mornings, positive attitude changes progessively to negative, over-analytical, depressive in the evenings.

So, everyone needs PRE and POST cycle blood work to get established baselines so you aren't wondering in the back of your head if you screwed yourself up.