I'm on my fourth week of Havoc and I've experienced no weight gains. I started at 200lbs and I'm still there. I've been eating like horse, at over 350g of protein per day. My cycle is 20/30/30/30. Other supps include, White Flood, Purple Wraath, fish oil, green tea, multi, glucosamine, resveratrol, and flax seed oil.
I've also been working out heavier and more frequently than ever.
Not sure what the deal is.