cutting cycle with eq/winny and var or prov
02-09-2004 10:35 PM
so what you are saying is that you think that 500mg/wk of test and 600mg a week of eq will help me to stay lean and not put on water while helping to get more striated and cut than running lower test with another drug that is known for hardening you up and bringing out striations(which is exactly what i was looking for).
i am not trying to seem like i think i know more then you or anyone else cuz you very possibly could and probably do know more... but you are just coming across like you wanna give advise about anything just so u can give advise. if you think it would still be a better option after considering my goals i will definately rethink what i am gonna do.
02-09-2004 10:38 PM
Look man, everyone here said to go at least 500mg a week of test for this cycle. 500mg a week and under will keep almost all sides to a minimum. If we knew that it was 250mg a week, then we would have said it. Once again the components don't make the cut.
For instance M1,4ADD id basically Dbol, I totally cut on it with no problem. Dbol is not commonly used as a cutter, but it can be done. And just because your friend bloated doesn't mean you will. "Every body is different, good nutrition is universal".
02-09-2004 10:51 PM
i really don't see what nutrition has to do with water weight from estrogen... but whatever...
i think i will try the test out at 500mg and see how it goes.. if i start to get puffy i can always lower it to 250 or just run a anti-e along side it.
02-09-2004 10:53 PM
Take Dbol, and cut with it then tell me that it can't be done.
02-09-2004 11:04 PM
250mg will work. Admittedly, I would go a little higher though.
The goal here is cutting and NOT gaining mass.
02-09-2004 11:06 PM
250 will work, but everyone knows that test is one of a few AAS that will actually help nurn bodyfat, tren and another that I can't think of off of the top of my head are the others. But why in the hell would someone take a HRT dose when they aren't doing HRT, they are stacking it with other products.
02-09-2004 11:48 PM
A typical HRT dosage is NOT 250mg weekly. Directly from an Upjohn Cyp insert "50-400mg should be administered every two to four weeks".Natural test levels are around 4-8mg daily. So 250mg weekly is quite a jump from that level. I would prefer to see him use 400mg EQ and 400mg test but it is his choice and decision.
With 250mg of test, 600mg of EQ, and 50mg winny ed that is 1200mg of AAS weekly. 1200mg is a large figure. You want him to increase that to 1450? I do not think it is necessary.
02-09-2004 11:50 PM
No it isn't needed, but neither is 600mg a week of EQ. If he is inexperianced he doesn't need to go above 400mg a week.
02-09-2004 11:54 PM
Well, I agree somewhat. I think that 300-400mg of EQ is about the minimum that one should use. However, 400mg is rather effective so I think that dosage would be fine.
Originally Posted by sifu
Nicolai.......something to remember is that Proviron is also an oral alkylated steroid which is hepatotoxic. It is less damaging than 17aa but still something to know.
02-09-2004 11:56 PM
That's what I was trying to say, it must be my fault that it didn't come out right. But I would think that 400-500mg of test a week and 400EQ a week with the winny would be better. I don't know I guess I am stubborn but test should be the base of all stacks for a reason.
02-09-2004 11:58 PM
I would not call that stubborn. I would call that smart.
Originally Posted by sifu
02-10-2004 12:00 AM
I know it is the base of my next stack, well my first AAS stack in over a decade, coming up in march baby.
02-11-2004 01:25 AM
Originally Posted by Nicolai
Be careful who you take advice from, this is the same stupid wanna be know it all who was trying to convince people that test shouldn't be part of a cutting cycle two weeks ago. Check out the thread (good cutting cylce? or not?) in the steroid forum.
Just because someone reads a lot of posts on forums doesn't qualify them to give people advice on things they don't know anything about!!
02-11-2004 01:35 AM
It all comes from Pub med and other sites such as the new england journal of medicine. I have been reading them over and over for the past two weeks. I can admit I was wrong back then. So what. As the study I posted stated Prov and winny are a good stack together, but test is king for a reason.
As for your comments whatever, take a chill pill bro, where is your advice? Would you like a link to pubmed or the new england journal of medicine. How about the HRT doctor I spoke to a week ago.
02-12-2004 03:12 AM
I never understood why people get really fancy with cutting cycles.
You want to know what I think would be a FANTASTIC cutting cycle?
750mg Testosterone Enanthate per week
1mg Letrozole per day
and a good T3 dosing schedule
This is simple and extremely effective for someone in the 200pound range.
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