Better for a cutter/hardness - H-DROL or Havoc/Epi?

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    Better for a cutter/hardness - H-DROL or Havoc/Epi?


    ???? Yes, diet is perfect


    ALSO: which is better for killing appetite?

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    i prefer h-drol for cutting...but cutting is 80% diet and cardio

    as for appetite suppression, both didn't really suppress my appetite, it mostly stayed the same. u could just use an appetite suppressant with it.
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    low does epi (20 mg) and p-plex (10-15mg) is money for hardness/leaning; the p-lex also helps SLIGHTLY w/appetite supression and the epi dries you out. the key is low dose for both, but big papa is right, the biggest factor is diet followed closely by cardio/NEPA(non exercise related physical activity-i.e.taking the stars instead of the elevator).
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    and proper sleep, hydration, weight training...
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    all very true.
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    Ressurrecting this thread as I'm planning on something soon

    Isn't p-plex more of a wet compound? Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by supersize77 View Post
    low does epi (20 mg) and p-plex (10-15mg) is money for hardness/leaning; the p-lex also helps SLIGHTLY w/appetite supression and the epi dries you out. the key is low dose for both, but big papa is right, the biggest factor is diet followed closely by cardio/NEPA(non exercise related physical activity-i.e.taking the stars instead of the elevator).
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    1. malicious mass
    3. epi-strong+ katandrol
    2. epi-strong
    3. helladrol+katanadrol
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    why helladrol with katanadrol over epi with katana? I wasn't a fan of cel's h-drol. Didn't seem to get much from it when I bridged it from m1,4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1s View Post
    why helladrol with katanadrol over epi with katana? I wasn't a fan of cel's h-drol. Didn't seem to get much from it when I bridged it from m1,4.
    Yea you can def run that too. Thought I put it up. Fixed.
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    Sorry to kind of hijack the thread, but would you guys recommend a cycle for a cut, or is it more like if you have money to burn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bashman View Post
    Sorry to kind of hijack the thread, but would you guys recommend a cycle for a cut, or is it more like if you have money to burn?
    Go with malicious mass. Havoc/max lmg combo so you're getting 2 for the price of one. Sure to cut you up and dry you and add solid mass. Best bang for your buck right there.
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    I will be starting my first cycle of turinabol and androhard from pp...now I been looking at katanadrol and it looks good..now is the tbol and andro a better fit than tbol and kata? Would like to cut up a little more while recomp or gain a little...
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    Just finished 6 weeks of cut/recomp on hdrol and pstanz. My body took the hdrol in about two days; I was rock hard, gaining size and strength. I adjusted to it pretty quick and it was hard to keep that rock hard look for rest of cycle without upping the dose (only went up to 75mg hdrol and I weigh 170) to where I wasn't comfortable. OEP and AT2 cut my appetite to zero. I used it on and off during my cut. Would go off when I felt I was getting used to it.
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    Hdrol is better than Epi in my opinion for those goals- stacked with P-stanz or Furuza A for some "extra" benefits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Ressurrecting this thread as I'm planning on something soon

    Isn't p-plex more of a wet compound? Thanks
    It's all in the diet. Eat clean and you will have little to no bloat on pher/p-plex...plus LOW DOSE further reduces bloat potential while preserving lean mass (on a cut). I actually like p-plex/h-drol combo better...epi is good but it makes me super hungry...not so good when trying to reduce food intake. H-drol is also "dryer" in my humble opinion.
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    I agree that diet has a lot to do with how much fat you lose. It is also true that some androgens have an affinity to burn more fat than others.

    I've only done an under-dosed cycle of an Hdrol clone and a burst cycle of SD. From my limited experience, Hdrol seems to be an androgen that will burn a little fat off!
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
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    what dosages would you need for epi and katana stacked?
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