orvise
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let me get this straight
if i go straight to my hrt i wont need nolva at all after a m1t cycle?
Thanks in advance,
if i go straight to my hrt i wont need nolva at all after a m1t cycle?
Thanks in advance,
Why do you say that? Bro if your on HRT no reason for post cycle. Def keep the nolva around though because of gyno issues.If you are doing HRT, dont do M1T! Atleast thats the way i see it.
thanksWhy do you say that? Bro if your on HRT no reason for post cycle. Def keep the nolva around though because of gyno issues.
are you saying stay on the 4ad 2 weeks when i get back on hrtAndrogel is very quick acting, i'd say 2 weeks on the 4AD should be just fine.
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What? No reason for post cycle?Why do you say that? Bro if your on HRT no reason for post cycle. Def keep the nolva around though because of gyno issues.
You are wrong, exogenous hormones supress endogenous hormones, period.I think he should ask his doctor.
HRT is supposed to be regulated and monitored so not to raise baseline above normal. So suppression is not a problem until you add m1t in the mix. Now his HRT is all fucked up.
Correct me if im wrong. Ive been wrong before.
EBE is correct. We've actually been discussing the various options in this thread: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13088 .... (feel free to maul and destroy whatever my suggestions were over in that one) but basically orvise does not plan on coming off of HRT. In this case, there is no reason to do a PCT because instead of bringing up natural test levels he's returning to the HRT level. Return to a low level natural test baseline is rather illogical if he has no intention of stopping HRT, as it is simply going to be a crash for himself, potential loss of gains, and all the other wonderful things that go with that. Doing PCT would make sense if at some point along the line orvise *did* intend to stop HRT, in which case he would not want to be on it for a prolonged period of time as that just makes recovering much more difficult.You are wrong, exogenous hormones supress endogenous hormones, period.
Couple of points on this one. First, no we do not expect him to be normal again as he stated in the original thread that this stemmed from, he did not plan on stopping HRT. Second, just by being on HRT he has already suppressed himself, hence there is no PCT to normalize, as that would be a PCT to recover from the HRT in addition to the recent cycle. Its not a bridging at all, as the HRT level of test is to be considered his baseline. He just gets the option of going straight back to that baseline in minimal time, as opposed to normal range individuals who go through the long process of recovering natural test.What? No reason for post cycle?
If you suppress yourself, you wont return properly unless you do PCT?
HRT only raises levels slightly, not enough to suppress, but exogeneous hormones can impede recovery, so he needs PCT atleast until he is normal. and then he can resume HRT safely.
You guys are talking about bridging testosterone with more testosterone. Do you expect him to ever be normal again?Correct me if im wrong.
Hes not on hcg.
But very very low doses of androgel can raise baseline without suppression if monitored and administerd properly.
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No. Not doses that duplicate normal levels. 2.5mg of anavar per day causes near-complete supression.
Most people on HRT utilize arimidex throughout (not constantly, but periodically as prescribed by the doc.) This helps with the e, but should someone not be taking their anti-e in conjunction with HRT then it is sensible to run nolva and arim when returning to HRT in order to bring things back under control.I may be missing something, and no, I did not read the other thread yet, but when someone comes off a cycle, their estrogen levels will be higher. Just because you do not have to raise natty test (due to the HRT) does not imply that you do not need to reduce the estrogen back to "normal" to keep that from being a problem. Therefore, it makes sense to me to use nolva for PCT unless there is some compound in the HRT designed to suppress estrogen.
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