College Baseball Player / Anabolics
- 02-04-2004, 09:49 PM
College Baseball Player / Anabolics
Hey everyone, I myself haven't graduated to the darkside yet, but I am seeking info for my friend.
Anyway here's the story. He's 22, 5'7'' / 5'8''ish 170lbs, used to run 40yards in 4.37? --before an injury. He will be cleared to train again, and is psyched to try and walk on Univ. of Florida Baseball, he won't have the chance to play for about a year, and won't be subject to drug testing.
My questions are:
*What sort of drills or training should he do for speed?
From what I've read it would be a combination of squats, and explosive movements conbined with sprints and polymetrics.
(obviously more baseball specific, I've played football and know all about football training)
*Secondly, he is considering moderate use of anabolics, I know winny/deca is popular among baseball players, is this because of lean gains and strength gains? or does it actaully have more of an effect on fast-twitch muscle fibers (for speed)? I was told EQ is also a good option -- stacked with TEST.
What are your recommendations to make him as fast as possible?
Any advice is greatly appriciated -- thanks.
- 02-04-2004, 10:29 PM
First off, if he is on the roster/team, he may be subjected to drug tests.
If he is willing to risk it, then his best bet would be Test prop with and oral. it will be in and out of his system quickly.
Deca is a HORRIBLE idea as he could test (+) for up to 18 months.
- 02-04-2004, 10:40 PM
Originally Posted by size
m1t works wonders for cutting bf and upping muscle, might not up the strength to the degree of the others...
02-04-2004, 10:43 PM
Jump rope. I know it is simple but it greatly helps increase foot speed.
Uphill sprints. It may effect his form, but it will increase leg power.
"Indian Runs". He will need a few people to do this one, but helps build endurance and adds sprints to an otherwise endurance exercise.
02-04-2004, 10:44 PM
He needs to be carfeul with longer acting drugs b/c the metabolites may cause (+) drug tests in the future.
I honestly think his best bet would be Test prop and winstrol. Both are affordable and effective.
02-04-2004, 11:11 PM
I wouldn't do EQ or Deca because they both can be detected for long periods of time
02-12-2004, 08:40 AM
02-12-2004, 09:29 AM
I'd say prop with winny and/or fina. Run 2-3 solid 4-6 week cycles with PCT, and viola!
-Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
-Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
*I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*
02-13-2004, 03:06 PM
02-13-2004, 03:21 PM
Originally Posted by Deoudes59
If he's walking on, how has he played D1 before? Did he transfer?
02-14-2004, 06:44 PM
yep, transfer, then injuried himself. Our other friend just walked on at Florida -- I think my friend has a good shot, he just needs to get slightly faster.Originally Posted by scotty2
07-31-2004, 07:41 PM
dude, I play D1 sports, can't say what team or sport, you guys might know, trust me you're not gonna get tested, my whole team would go down!
08-01-2004, 10:53 PM
Originally Posted by SyntholMan
08-02-2004, 12:22 AM
I second this..I played d1 baseball for a year and we weren't tested once.Originally Posted by SyntholMan
08-02-2004, 06:01 AM
Winny is a bad idea esp for someone that has had an injury
originally posted by AnimalMass on competitivemuscle.com
While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle.
Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.
08-02-2004, 12:26 PM
that was a very educating skye, i never knew these things.
08-02-2004, 04:30 PM
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