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successful gyno removal

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grigs

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this thread is for those who have gyno in past and how they get rid of him..
like how gyno come to you, what and for how long you was using to get rid of it, and what was your success if there was any..:duel:
 
developed gyno after a cycle of havoc 2nd week into a reversitol pct (not bashing the product at all, but i was shut down harder than i thought from havoc). Woke up one morning and felt a PAINFUL quarter size lump on the side of my left nip. After freaking out i took 20mg of the nolva that i had on hand (thank god) and the soreness and the lump went away completely within 3-4 days of starting the nolva. Fact of the matter is that i've now learned my lesson and am gonna use a serm after every cycle no matter how strong or how weak the ph/ds.
 
jay21 said:
EPI cant cause GYNO, it has serm like effects.... and isnt it used to treat GYNO?
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ever heard of rebound? while u shouldnt have any gyno-like symptoms ON CYCLE, if u dont take proper precautions POST cycle then expect a rude awakening
 
i just got done with a cycle and post cycle. Took nolva 40/40/20/20 and after the pct a few days later got a lump under my left nipple. Woke up the second day and had pain in my right one.
Will let you know how long it takes to get rid of it.
 
faceman35 said:
i just got done with a cycle and post cycle. Took nolva 40/40/20/20 and after the pct a few days later got a lump under my left nipple. Woke up the second day and had pain in my right one.
Will let you know how long it takes to get rid of it.
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You should have went longer.
 
someone told me to bridge between nolva and a AI quote: "may be high prolactin or a very low level of estrogen and normal prolactin levels...its more gap in these two that really causes problems then just high prolactin....honestly now reassessing the situation id say bridge from nolva into an ai .....if the problem still continues get bloodwork done...."
 
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I would run 20mgs Nolva ED untill it goes away. With 1mg Adex Ed wk1. .5mg Adex wk2. .5 Adex Eod wk3.
 
i do have some adex on hand. However I am completely out of nolvadex. I had to order some more. But that can take 2-4 weeks.:sad3:
 
I had gyno since puberty.
Was small until I ran a PP/SD bridge about 3-4 years ago.. (around when I turned 21) and did nolva 40/40/20/10 PCT.. Gyno got worse after my PCT.
Stayed clear of ALL prohormones since then until March 09.
Ran Epidrol at 20mg for 5 weeks. By the end of the cycle I had no lump or sensitivity whatsoever. Suprisingly gained 3.5lbs and lost 2% BF (if my calculator thingy is right I'm under 10% now =D )
I'm scared of rebound so I've been doing my PCT the last 2 months: 20mg Nolva EOD... along with T911 (the past two weeks.)
Never been happier as a weight lifter.. Epidrol has been good to me: I'd reccomend it to ANYONE wanting to remove gyno.
 
1HP said:
How does that work? I was under the impression Prolactin can only cause gyno in the presence of excess estrogen? Seth Roberts has a thread on it on this board I think.
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honestly I am not sure. I will admit I am not an expert on that. If after I treat the gyno (plus will continue treating it for several days after that), if it flares back up I will get blood work done to see exactly whats going on. Hopefully it wont come to that.
 
well i have plenty of adex. But I am out of nolva and wont get more for about two weeks. But when I do get it I will have plenty. So I will definitely have enough to get it under control.
One question. Is estrogen rebound a result of something I did wrong during my cycle/post cycle? or is it something that happens to some people and not to some people? (meaning are some people just genetically prone to it)
 
1HP said:
How does that work? I was under the impression Prolactin can only cause gyno in the presence of excess estrogen? Seth Roberts has a thread on it on this board I think.
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if you read seths thread...its not actually high prolactin causing the prolactin induced gyno....its very low estrogen and normal levels of prolactin...he theorizes its the gap between these two hormones thats causing the problem .....
 
faceman35 said:
well i have plenty of adex. But I am out of nolva and wont get more for about two weeks. But when I do get it I will have plenty. So I will definitely have enough to get it under control.
One question. Is estrogen rebound a result of something I did wrong during my cycle/post cycle? or is it something that happens to some people and not to some people? (meaning are some people just genetically prone to it)
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on paper estrogen rebound can not happen using nolvadex.....other parts of your body such as your bones will act as a sink for the estrogen not being utilized by breast tissue....but in the real world it seems this may not pan out...ive experienced a post cycle rebound like you did....now the "other" problems were what led us to believe that you had a prolactin/estro gap....generally i like to run a light ai like adex in my pct with nolva/clomid to avoid this....
 
For prolactin problems (if you have off-white discharge from your nipples) AND gyno symptoms such as a solid lump and sensitivity under the nipple area, I think it's always best to use SERMS WHILE treating the prolactin problem (leaking is caused by hyperprolatinemia) so cabergoline or dopamine (or dopamine agonist like caber/indol-3) can be really helpful.. But gyno is in fact more of a problem with estrogen.
I think what mooch said is of Seth Roberts is very interesting.. the endocrine system is a fine-tuned balancing machine: it will attempt to balance out problems and when it senses low estrogen it'll more than likely produce more or increase the aromatase enzyme production to convert test into estrogen etc.. the gap could infact cause secondary problems if the prolactin or estrogen aren't controlled properly post-cycle.
 
Interesting, so something like Vitex may be more effect and less down-regulation of the dopamine receptors maybe..
 
Sry to hear that guys.. it removed all symptoms of my gyno. I used it because I've heard of many people having reductions in gyno from Epi (mine was Epidrol)...
So I wasn't suprised when it worked for me- just didn't expect ALL problems to disappear (ie. sensitivity AND size are completely gone)
 
MPFit said:
Sry to hear that guys.. it removed all symptoms of my gyno. I used it because I've heard of many people having reductions in gyno from Epi (mine was Epidrol)...
So I wasn't suprised when it worked for me- just didn't expect ALL problems to disappear (ie. sensitivity AND size are completely gone)
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how long did you take epi for?
 
thapr3dat0r said:
Yes, guilty as charged. Very good point, Mooch...as usual.
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yeah i figured....epi's half life is only six hours....which, from a testosterone suppression standpoint, makes it ideal for a pulse....but it also tends have a serm like effect as well....this creates a sort of rebounding estrogen effect on your off days which will very easily create gyno problems....i am not a fan of pulsing
 
jay21 said:
why would any1 pulse epi??? me in general am also against pulsing
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because it has a short half life and causes minimal suppression....that makes it ideal for a pulse....only if it didnt have that pesky estrogen problem as well....oh well...you cant have your cake and eat it too!
 
So here is a question. I was going to wait 3 months before starting my cutting cycle. ( the anabolics, not the diet). Since I had this issue after my post cycle what time period would you say that I wait now? The same? Or extend it 3 months after these issues go away?
 
1HP said:
There is a study on letrozole showing rebound to be at its peak around 10 weeks after stopping the letro. So 3 months does sound like a good period if you want to minimize risk.
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just to be specific. Dont know if it makes much of a difference. I am taking adex. Not taking letro.
So far I have been taking the adex for 4 days now. The sensitivity in the nipples has gone down significantly. Not completely but a lot. The pebbles have not changed in size. And so far the nipples have not been puffy.
So I hope that the pebbles go away pretty soon.
 
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