Best Ph for lean dry gains w/ Strength
- 06-25-2009, 05:43 AM
- 06-25-2009, 07:18 AM
- 06-25-2009, 08:44 AM
06-25-2009, 08:55 AM
06-25-2009, 10:39 PM
SD is lil 2 toxic for me. I have run it before but didnt like it. I have used h-drol 1-t tren and epi. h-drol altho mild has got me cut as hell. Any other opins?
06-26-2009, 06:38 AM
06-26-2009, 06:47 AM
lets just say i have tryed all 3. 1-t tren h-drol x2 and epi. I am breaking all my PR on 1-t tren every time I hit the gym and have gained the most mass. The cream part of it is a pain in the ass imo. But the product is amazing. If you take the right supps gyno is not a problem at all. (p-5-p, vitex, bulk powerfull, cycle support) its a kick ass product.
06-26-2009, 06:54 AM
06-26-2009, 06:55 AM
p-5-p is b vitamin why dont you like usplabs? powerfull is a great product i know alot of friends on it
06-26-2009, 06:26 PM
Ive heard eq jet is pretty good **** for solid gains in mass and strength but its not very cost effective.
I got mad strong off of p tren which is estra 4 9
07-02-2009, 07:32 AM
Besides that, the claim that Powerfull increases HGH production by 221% in one dose has got to be the most ridiculous claim ever made by a supplement company.
As far as I'm concerned that company is really shady.
07-02-2009, 05:34 PM
I have yet to see a review of E-Pol where the user did not gain significant strength and add lean mass.
Because you want to stay away from SD, an H-drol clone might be your best option.
07-02-2009, 08:24 PM
07-02-2009, 09:00 PM
07-02-2009, 09:16 PM
i am prob going to do this. Whats the best time to take each compound
07-02-2009, 09:35 PM
In my opinion for least amount of sides and most strength and mass gains EPI is a clear winner. Not to mention how amazing it makes you feel. 40-50mgs for 6 weeks is my personal ultimate cycle. Hit my PR on just about everthing while running @ 50mg for 6 weeks.
07-02-2009, 11:10 PM
07-03-2009, 12:42 AM
07-03-2009, 02:24 AM
07-03-2009, 04:29 AM
07-03-2009, 05:44 AM
powerfull contains L-dopa. L-dopa raises dopamin levels which lowers prolactin levels and is also used to prevent prolactin gyno on cycle. Vitex does the same trick.
07-03-2009, 05:49 AM
How about a hdrol into epi bridge cycle? I did this last summer and gained over 20lbs in 6 wks. This was my best ph/ps cycle ever, lean dry gains and amazing strenght.
I did not even dose it very high
hdrol 4wks @50mg (first time hdrol though)
Epi, 20,20,30,40, started in wk3
07-03-2009, 07:25 AM
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
07-03-2009, 07:43 AM
I have no idea what percentage of people using epi experience side effects but it's not minuscule. When I started researching my first cycle I was set to run Havoc and bought a bottle. After continued research that bottle sits in a cupboard never to be opened (by me). I compare using epi to playing Russian roulette because you just don't know how it's going to effect you until you try. I didn't want to gamble.
That's the dark side of epi. But if you are one of the lucky ones (no question the majority of people come out OK if they have a good PCT) then epi is fantastic and it can be used for increasing size, cutting or recomp.
For least sides hdrol is the clear winner.
For least sides with most gains 1-T and 1-T Tren seem to be solid candidates although I've never tried them. But unlike just about every other product out there I don't think I've ever heard about a negative experience with one of PP's products.
But I don't think any of this is helping qwerty sicne he seems to have tried just about everything mentioned in this thread
07-03-2009, 08:36 AM
You have alot of opinions considering not having used most of these mones.
1-T definitely has sides! If you call nipples hurting to high heaven and a feroucious itch beyond belief...good product but can't light a candle next to Epi.
H-dro is nice and mild but you gotta run high dose and use 2 bottles at least.
Epi is very safe and the clear winner here. No sides what so ever. I sure if you search real hard you'll find those claiming gyno and shedding but seems highly unlikely and exaggerated and no sides with great results is the norm not on of the lucky ones.
READ THE STICKY ON DESIGNERS!
Yes I have used all 3 and am onto H-Roid right now. Go ahead and open that Havoc bottle....it's amazing! You will love it! and if you really are that afraid use it on a EOD pulse to spread it out....that's what I did. Was my most memorable cycle.
07-03-2009, 10:50 AM
I like hdrol if you run it near 100mgs for 6 weeks. Very mild and a great recomp. Thats the route I would go for a recomp personally. 75-100 mgs every day for 6 weeks.
07-03-2009, 10:53 AM
07-03-2009, 11:46 AM
Epi didn't give me strength or size just hardness and vascularity, no strength even at 40mg. A few others are like me and didn't get much out of it.
Lean gains w/ strength can be made on almost any PH cycle if your diet is right. But for the best #s concerning lbm gained vs. fat, & strength gained, it has go to to Superdrol for me.
07-03-2009, 01:33 PM
I have only taken one ph and that was hdrol about a year ago, it worked great for me. Diet was completely solid but I def dropped about 1-2 bf and have great strength gains. Maybe you could try pmag, I heard good things about it.
07-03-2009, 06:44 PM
07-04-2009, 05:45 PM
07-04-2009, 06:48 PM
07-05-2009, 05:28 AM
agreed epi was the only pro-h that gave me puffy nipps at the end of cycle. everyone reacts differently
07-17-2009, 06:39 AM
Just because I haven't tried them all doesn't mean I can't have a sound opinion about them. I researched the hell out of Epi before deciding not to use it. After all, one person's experience isn't enough to go by, you have to look at the big picture.
I am convinced that Epi is not very safe, saying that there are "no sides whatsoever" is totally wrong and misleading to people. You don't have to look hard at all to find reports of extreme sides. Lots and lots of people have had them with Epi. And it's erratic as hell, some people don't have problems until their second or third cycle even if they did everything the same way in each cycle. Based on my research it seems like it's a wildly unpredictable steroid and tons of guys are stuck with gyno from using Epi. OTOH H-drol is safe but gians rather minimal for some people.
As for 1-T, I've personally not come across any negative experiences in the forums. I can't figure out why, either they don't happen or people don't talk about them. Are painful, itchy nips common side effects? Any other common side effects? I would definitely like to hear about this -- for 1-T not 1-T Tren.
07-17-2009, 11:22 AM
1-t is just one andro. i would never use it. 1-t tren idk if i will use again as it made me lathargic, no libido, but i gained 13 lbs from it. H-drol is my pick, mild, melts fat, and my body reacts well to it. Epi when i ran it gave me puffy nipps, im lucky i did not get gyno.
07-17-2009, 11:27 AM
07-17-2009, 02:47 PM
id still go with SD. its harsh but the liver heals very nicely. specially if you use cycle assist with milk thistle, and everything else in it. youll be fine and get some awesome gains, that are dry, from some good ol SD!
08-12-2009, 05:54 PM
You have to run 2 bottles at least? That sounds insane to me. I am still searching for a decent dry prohormone. H-drol makes me gain freaky strength and mass, but I notice bloat in my face after week 1. Epi is okay, but I don't get nearly the strength gains as I do with H-Drol. Because of this constant debate, I am sure that there is no 1 king prohormone for dry clean gains.
08-12-2009, 11:18 PM
i gain alot of strenght and size from a tren/m-drol cycle and the next one i ran was a tren/hdrol cycle and not nearly as much.
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