Help with my SD cycle (I've stopped gaining!)
- 06-24-2009, 11:38 AM
Help with my SD cycle (I've stopped gaining!)
First two weeks were amazing - I put on 9lbs and my muscles feel like rocks. Midway through my second week, my gains started to slow down dramatically. I'm in the middle of my third week, and now I haven't gained anything at all. I'm eating plenty of calories, working out 4 or 5 times a week and all that. I haven't changed anything!
I've been running a 10/20/20/30 but I think I might have to bump it up to 10/20/30/30 for my gains to keep going up. Suggestions? Should I end my cycle early or bump up the dosage?
- 06-24-2009, 11:56 AM
most people run SD for only 3 wks. It is very, very liver toxic and usauly when you bump up the dosage you take the chance of more sides. Be realy careful with this PH/DS....
- 06-24-2009, 12:06 PM
06-24-2009, 12:20 PM
06-24-2009, 12:38 PM
If your not gaining your not eating. . . That goes for while your on or off steroids. Most people on this board dont surpass 20mg because its not necessary. Revaluate your diet and you will grow
06-24-2009, 12:43 PM
he's right, about 3 weeks it's mostly over. the stuff stays with you at least a week after cessation too.
06-24-2009, 12:45 PM
06-24-2009, 12:50 PM
06-24-2009, 01:16 PM
really track your diet at fitday.com
you may be surprised where you're at versus where you think you are
06-24-2009, 01:47 PM
06-24-2009, 01:50 PM
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06-24-2009, 02:10 PM
06-24-2009, 02:16 PM
06-24-2009, 02:19 PM
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06-24-2009, 02:42 PM
06-24-2009, 03:09 PM
06-24-2009, 03:22 PM
I stopped gaining after my third week when I did SD. I saw the bulk of my gains in the first and second week. I think I only gained 1 or 2 pounds the third week and nothing the 4th week. Overall I gained just shy of 20 pounds though.
06-24-2009, 10:03 PM
Yeah i've said this a few times with Superdrol, you gain so much weight initially that towards the end of the cycle you have to up your calories to keep gaining
So... I would go to 30mg and increase calories.
06-25-2009, 11:27 AM
06-26-2009, 11:45 AM
06-26-2009, 11:51 AM
If you have one pill it may be gone by the next day, but by the end of a cycle you've ramped the concentration of it up high enough that it sticks around for a few more days. For me, i go strong and feel on for about 5 days past the last pill, after that things start to go downhill.
06-26-2009, 12:08 PM
06-26-2009, 12:10 PM
Yeah, thats what half life means. but even at peak, if you took 30mg all at once then 8 hrs later 15 is left, 8 hours later 7.5 is left, 8 hours later 3.75 is left. So theres not a significant amount there past 24 hours.
06-26-2009, 12:33 PM
Yes but you've just demonstrated that some amount will be present 24 hours later. Over the course of a cycle, this amount will slowly build up day after day for weeks so that the concentration will still be elevated even beyond 1 day post cycle. Which is why after 2 SUperdrol cycles i noticed the effects until about 4-5 days later.
Also not 100% of the compound is eliminated as dictated by the half life, as being lipophylic means that some gets absorbed into fat cells. I'm sure there's other ways by which the compound may linger.
06-26-2009, 12:34 PM
06-26-2009, 01:00 PM
Some of the effects you may be still noticing 4-5 days later might be related to all the other side effects - higher red blood cell count, glycogen supercompensation, etc. Doesn't mean the chemical is still there Although it is possible that there is some absorption to fat cells, I'm not sure it would be a noticeable amount.
06-26-2009, 02:15 PM
Yeah definitely going to be a lot of the glycogen etc. around a few days later and that probably explains more of the strength than the compound. But lemme think this out... say you were taking 30mg but it was spaced throughout the day. Let's say the last 10mg dose is taken at 4pm everyday, which effectively means 5mg carrying over into the next day, in addition to whatever is carried over from the previous 20mg doses. Wouldn't this allow for more to be build up in the long run? Because 5mg is carrying over from the last pill alone, plus the other pills let's say 7mg carries over to the next day where 30mg is taken again. With the extra 7mg, this time let's say 8mg carries over... and the carry-over increases ad-infinitum... assuming the doses are spread out... right?
06-26-2009, 02:25 PM
d1800 10 = 10
d11600 5+10 = 15
d12400 2.5+5+10 = 17.5
d2800 1.25 + 2.5 + 5 + 10 = 18.75
d21600 0.625 + 1.25 + 2.5 + 5 + 10 = 19.375
d22400 0.3125 + 0.625 + 1.25 + 2.5 + 5 + 10 = 19.6875
d3800 0.15+ 0.3125 + 0.625 + 1.25 + 2.5 + 5 + 10 = 19.8 (i'm rounding now)
d31600 0.075 + 0.15+ 0.3125 + 0.625 + 1.25 + 2.5 + 5 + 10 = 19.9
d32400 0.037 + 0.075 + 0.15+ 0.3125 + 0.625 + 1.25 + 2.5 + 5 + 10 = 19.9
and roughly there it stays, right about 20mg in bloodstream regardless of how long you run it. so with 20 in bloodstream at time of last cap, 8 hours later there is 10, 16 = 5mg, and 24 is 2.5
06-26-2009, 02:35 PM
Thanks man i appreciate the math. But those calculations are for 10mg? If it were 10/20/20/30 for instance wouldn't the carry over build up to much more than 20mg?
At any rate you've shown that the compound shouldn't be around as much as I've thought 5 days later.
06-26-2009, 02:38 PM
thats for 10mg, taken every 8 hours, so 30 a day. so its day 1, 800 hrs, day 1 1600 hrs, day 1 2400 hrs, etc.
06-26-2009, 02:46 PM
Gotcha. Well that sounds good, you're even being generous because I've heard that the half life of Superdrol is 6 hours. Although I still tend to think that some gets stored in fat or stored in some other way which increases the amount that lingers.
06-26-2009, 02:49 PM
The fat accumulation is possible but then too i think it wouldnt be a huge amount there. hard to say, and well, thats the difference between stuff like this and prescription items, with the prescription items they actually test those mundane details
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