- 06-21-2009, 02:58 PM
No... Not what you where thinking! Haha. Anyway, I am currently 6'1" 190 at 7.5% BF. Happy with my size but wanting to harden up my muscles. From your experiences what is the best PH to run for vascularity and hardness while maintaining size. A slight increase in size is okay, but no more than 5 lbs. I can control that with diet so not to worried about that. Thanks for the input.
- 06-21-2009, 03:16 PM
Id go with h drol or tren bro
- 06-21-2009, 03:53 PM
To be honest, I am bot a huge fan of H-Drol. My body does not seem to respond well to it. Not that I get bad sides or anything, I just don't get results.
How is appetite with Tren alone? I ran Spawn (Epi and Tren) and my stomach was an open pit. I was CONSTANTLY hungry! Not good when I want to limit growth.
06-21-2009, 04:18 PM
i would low dose phera and epi....say 20 mgs of each....the phera should completely kill your appetite and the epi will dry out any water from the phera....this is my next cut but stacked with sust as well
06-21-2009, 04:40 PM
06-21-2009, 04:57 PM
yups...should be a good run
06-21-2009, 05:09 PM
Winstrol 50-100mg and Masteron 100mg EOD. That should surley harden you up.
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06-21-2009, 06:34 PM
06-21-2009, 06:56 PM
06-21-2009, 08:18 PM
06-21-2009, 08:35 PM
06-21-2009, 08:39 PM
Don't take this the wrong way but why don't you want to get any bigger? If your stats are correct extra muscle wouldn't be a bad thing. Then again clothes get expensive when you outgrow them lol.
06-21-2009, 11:03 PM
06-21-2009, 11:15 PM
where you fighting at and what promotor?
06-21-2009, 11:50 PM
06-22-2009, 02:53 AM
Honestly with Drive/RPM from AN I had rock solid muscles. I know they are not anabolics, just saying it did the job for me back when. I had tree logs for viens down my arms, but I am naturally vascular so that coulda played into it.
06-22-2009, 10:41 AM
06-22-2009, 10:46 AM
06-22-2009, 10:53 AM
06-22-2009, 11:08 AM
Oh... I did not realize you were a fighter. Phera is known to cause some mean back pumps- although everyone is different. However, because you will obviously be doing alot of cardio for your conditioning, those back pumps may become even more aggrivated. Just something you may want to keep in mind before starting that compound. I would hate for it to effect your training and impede on your performance during a fight.
Suffer now.. and live like a champion later.
06-22-2009, 11:12 AM
i doubt back pumps will be a problem with Phera at 20mg. Phera works well for hardening, it's common for us to think of it as a bloating bulker but when I ran it on a recomp the vascularity and hardness was great @ 40-50mg.
The phera/epi stack mooch mentioned sounds like (good synergy right) but he's going to stack it with test. Without test, i would up the epi dose to 30 because 20 is usually pretty low. The combination will produce some amazing vascularity I think
06-22-2009, 03:56 PM
^^^^true dat.....plus i think im just like a super responder to epi....i see results at ten mgs!!!!!!!!!!!!
06-22-2009, 04:13 PM
why didnt anyone say viagra?
haha. all kidding aside, mdrol is the only one that made me "hard"
06-22-2009, 04:45 PM
Pretty sure I am going with Mooch's recomendation just wanted yo run one more by you guys. How about Epi at 30 for 2 weeks and then bridge into a 4 week Oral Winstrol. For a total of 6 weeks. The only thing that scares me abou the Phera/Epi is running 2 methyls. Thoughts?
06-22-2009, 04:47 PM
06-22-2009, 04:59 PM
again we may be back to this super responder to epi thing....but i honestly cant tell the difference between epi and winstrol.....
06-23-2009, 02:20 AM
There was a company a while back that was thinking of putting prostanzol back out, but I guess they dropped the idea.
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