- 06-17-2009, 02:53 PM
As a hobby and more importantly a way of life i like to learn about every aspect of bodybuilding and all the new studies and products on the market. im not ready for PH at this point however i want to learn about them and be able to hold conversations on the topic without feeling lost every other word. ive googled prohormone info a houndred times and i just dnt feel like im getting anywhere. i was hopping someone can gave me either a overview or some helpful links. i found out a lot about diol and dion and different carbin numbers. i still am lost when i get hear and hear mdrol and hdrol and these sort of stacks. any advice or help in the right direction would be appreciated.
- 06-17-2009, 02:54 PM
I do not know how old you are, however, for informational purposes, the anabolic section is a greatly informed area.
06-17-2009, 03:05 PM
iron is right, if I were you i would do as much research as you can.....then stay clear because once your in your in.
06-17-2009, 03:16 PM
i will be 19 in august. im not as interested in aas for a variety of reasons and i assumed the anabolic section was for that but i could be wrong.
06-17-2009, 03:20 PM
06-17-2009, 03:23 PM
right from my understanding a prohormone needs to go one more step before becoming test. thats what makes the initial difference. im not sure how people decide how to stack them and how each number differs in strength and other effects. also in all my research so far i havnt found anything to do with halodrol or things like that but it seems like its a hot topic on the forum.
06-17-2009, 03:39 PM
Vida Text. "Androgens and Anabolic Agents" , though its fairly complex, and will probably overwhelm you with info.
06-17-2009, 03:59 PM
i also understand that you cant just take a ph on its own you need to take something after or with it im not sure why or what it prevents ive heard ppl say novadex or pct and other terms like that
06-17-2009, 04:03 PM
yes, you need a POST CYCLE THERAPy to get your natural hormone levels back up, if you do not do this you will lose your gains and possibly go mental! I did a lackluster Pct for tren extreme and I thought and felt like I was going to take my own life!
Crappy pct=a whole world of problems!
low testosterone in men=whole lot of problems
Its good to see you researching and asking questions.
My advice other than to keep researching is to stay a natural bodybuilder for life!
06-17-2009, 04:10 PM
without going crazy, lets say your test levels are the equivalent to 100mg of test injection, and your estrogen levels are at 25mg equivalent of estrogen injection. when your primary muscle builder (whether test or something else) becomes the equivalent of 500mg of test injection, your estrogen will rise to 125mg to maintain the hormonal balance. when you come off, and your indigenous testosterone levels have crashed to 25mg, your estrogen levels are still at 125, which causes all kinds of problems (depression, mood swings, gyno, etc). basically, you are no longer at a 100/25 test/estro level, but rather 125/25 which is closer to a woman's hormonal level. from the side effects of an improper PCT, you can see this played out clearer. PCT is a must.
06-17-2009, 04:42 PM
i hear ppl at like 15 taking ph and steroids from what ive hear this would just be a waste of money for anyone under there mid 20s since natural test is already sky high. would a ph show any benefit for a person below 25 or would it actually hinder your gains and just cause a lot of damage?
06-17-2009, 05:26 PM
06-17-2009, 05:30 PM
then consider what an equivalent of 25mg of test would do when you're at an age where your body is trying to stabilize its natural test levels. instead of taking a fluctuation between 100-200mg and trying to average it out, its now taking a fluctuation between 25-200mg and trying to average it out...... obviously it will take a yearly average and try to figure out your bodies baseline, but that can still equate to a 1-5% drop in natural test levels if a 6-8 week cycle and crashed test levels are added in to the equation. obviously such studies would be illegal, but basic math tells us that this makes sense.
obviously taking a designer/prohormone would lead to better gains, but the long term effects of doing so makes it a wash considering that having that 1-5% more, you could have made those gains naturally. IMO. additionally, find me anyone at 15 with a solid bodybuilders diet, and i'll eat my words. diet is key to maximizing your natural test levels. high monounsaturated fats, no trans fat, no soda, etc.
06-17-2009, 06:16 PM
Ive said this before....and ill say it again....to the OP I would listen to what Suncloud just said, and reread some of his other posts...this man wil not stear you wrong, and If you have any personal questions regarding this im sure if you PM him he will help you out too, the same goes for me if you ever need help just shoot me a pm.
your doing the right thing and your now on the right site brother!
06-17-2009, 08:48 PM
thanks for the help. im trying to get as much research on the topic as i can before forming personal opinions and what not. besides gaining a strong basis on diet this has been the most challenging aspect of BB that i have tried to learn about so any help or advice is really appreciated.
what were some of the first cycles you took and why? also what are common mistakes that people do when takeing PH?
06-17-2009, 08:51 PM
-Taking it before there 21
-drinking on cycle
-no proper pct
-using it before they have any clue how to train and eat naturally
Honestly I could go on forever but Im off to the gym, your a smart guy, keep reading and learning how to eat for growth.
Gear and prohormones are the icing on the cake!
and in the case of prohormones shtty icing!
06-17-2009, 09:16 PM
06-17-2009, 10:31 PM
basic diet advice : Gaining mass in a nutshell (a big nutshell)
my first cycle went great. i had everything in a row, though in hindsight, i should have asked around first, and found out common sides of what i was taking instead of just lining up a PCT. support supplements for the cycle was something i didn't know about. ended my cycle with my blood pressure at 143/88 (tren), which if i knew what i knew now, never would have happened. still, a successful run, and PCT went well.
06-18-2009, 04:47 PM
does anyone know about freeing bound testosterone and how testosterone gets bound. i know it has something to do with the shgb or sex hormone i believe. is there products or foods or workouts that can help you release bound or free test. would these products be considered a ph? is bound and free test the same thing?
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