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Will M1t and other new compounds be the death of PH'S. Once and for all!

sarcoplasm

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I know this is a hot topic, but lets settle it. I for one don't think FDA gives a s%$#@%%#t! what these products are called, methylation or not. They want to get rid of anything that resembles testosterone or promotes anabolism. I don't think methylation annoys them anymore than the "old" adro products. This is all about what looks good in the eyes of the public...... Let the debate begin!
 
sarcoplasm said:
I know this is a hot topic, but lets settle it. I for one don't think FDA gives a s%$#@%%#t! what these products are called, methylation or not. They want to get rid of anything that resembles testosterone or promotes anabolism. I don't think methylation annoys them anymore than the "old" adro products. This is all about what looks good in the eyes of the public...... Let the debate begin!
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But go ahead and smoke cigarettes and get cancers and emphasyma(while raising medical premiums) and drink alcohol and destroy your liver, but don't take anything the government can't make money off of.
 
"... but don't take anything the government can't make money off of."

Exactly. I'd be interested if anyone has numbers of people who are killed from AAS compared to, alcohol and tobbaco deaths.

I wonder how many people have killed an innocent bystander due to using AAS or PH, compared to the innocent deaths caused by drunk drivers.

(I googled for numbers...eh, couldn't find much)
 
Interesting. I've never heard of ONE death atributed to the use of an anabolic steroid in a heathy individual. Meanwhile OBESITY has reached epidemic proportions and is now cossting taxpayers 75 BILLION dollars per year. But back to my original question......
Sardcoplasm
 
There are all ready legislature ready to ban them. What's going to happen when someone stacks three methyl products together and does a lot of drinking on top of that?
 
What would happen? Would that persons liver collapse? How is it that an alcoholic's liver can take years of abuse but 6 months of M1t can kill you? And I am not making light of M1t or any methylated products dont misunderstand.
Sarcoplasm
 
Just this past year alone, 56000 emergency room overdose tylenol cases, along with 157 deaths. The hyprocrisy is staggering.
 
You cant possibly know that. It would be a poor choice to test the affect that 3 methylated compounds and alchol would have on their body but the actual amount of hepatoxicity has never benn established. People are inherentely going to think that more is better and thats why we have people doing 50-70 mg of M1t a day. Is this inteligent when 5-10 mg creates great gains? Hell no. Do I have the technical backing to say you MIGHT be damaging yourself unnecesarily? Yes I can say that but I cant say "If you dont stop that you will certainly die in 3 days, thats just incorrect and assanine. I dont think we should E EVER encourage people to take more that 1 methyl at a time and never ever drink on cycle but I also dont think we should make unsustantiated claims.
 
I was j/k about the liver exploding. My point is all it is going to take is one case. Say some college kid has a pre existing liver condition. He is out drinking a lot of the time a lot of college kids will do. He hears how great methyl prohormes are stacks many of them together and keeps up doing a lot of drinking. One day his urine looks kind of funny. The next day he has a law suite against the makers of the products he is taking. The next day the media has his story in the paper and the next say good bye to prohormones. The same thing happened with ephedrine. A few high profile cases.....and it's gone. Never the fact that the ratio to people who have died or had adverse reaction to it is well below the FDA's policy for drug safety. It was out for ten years millions of people were taking it and only 150 people died from it. Also, what percentage of the 150 that died popped it like a candy.Next throw in that some big supplements companies aren't selling methyl products and don't want to take the chance. That syntrax guy said another supplement company told on him when he was selling traix. I am sure some of them view methyl prohormones a threat to their business. Biotest has already written about them saying that the are or should be illegal and of coarse that mag-10 is safer and much more effective. All this leads to saying goodbye to prohormones.
 
tylenol is one of the worst things out there, but they have no problem with anyone selling that. they are just insane about what they are trying to do. what should eb done, is there should be a new orgination, like the FDA for supplements, requiring all supplement companies to test sample opf their products in FDA approved labsl, all labels should be exactly the same in showing the ingeradiants. everything should be regulated. Make a min age requirement either it is 18 or 21, (just like cigarettes and alch.). Add a tax to it, if that makes them feel better because they can then make some extra money off it.
 
Agreed DS. I feel the blame for PH and other supps getting bad media lies squarely on the shoulders of the supp industry and users.

When I look at boards like BB.com and see thread after thread of 14 year olds asking for PH and other supplement advice I shiver. A lot of guys there and here try to dissuade these kids from trying to take PH but really what pisses me off is HOW and WHY this became OUR responsibility. I'm just a guy trying to grow some muscles and learn the newest, safest way of doing so. Why is it my responsibility to jump on every kid that wants to be stupid and take hormones?!

My point being that these kids should NEVER have had access to these supplements in the first place. To make matters worse, much of the marketing for PHs seems to geared towards kids and teens (or at least people with low IQ's and a narcissism/machismo complex). Seen the products using the HULK as their mascot? Pretty fucking irresponsible if you ask me.

-The supp industry and retailers need to police themselves making all hormonal supps off limits to people under 21. This may demonstrate a show of good faith on thier part.

-Approach the FDA with a proposal for regulation and study of ingredients paid for by excise taxes. This will serve to eliminate worthless supps and their false advertising that plagues this industry and will also bring to light the benefits of supplementation through scientific study. So many BB supps are soo worthwhile for general health and the improvment of certain ailments that the general public could really benefit.

As it stands I don't see this as a feasible plan. Watching supp boards for a while has shown me that the greed of the industry leaves little room for cooperation. Most boards are simply pissing contests between two or more companies...so guess what dumbasses? You're all going out of business together. How's that for unity?
 
bioman said:
Most boards are simply pissing contests between two or more companies...so guess what dumbasses? You're all going out of business together. How's that for unity?
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LOL well put Bio.
DS took the words out of my mouth.
 
so guess what dumbasses? You're all going out of business together
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Unfortunately that is probably what's going to happen. I don't think any of the supplement companies that have come together are making any methylated prohormones. So obviously they are going to view any methylated prohormones as a threat. If that's the case what are they going to do? They will go to the FDA and attempt to get rid of any methyl product telling them that there is a high risk of liver toxicity. The result of that will probably be a ban on all prohormones. I know Derek C? from syntrax said triax was pulled when another supplement company squealed on them to the FDA. My guess was it was biotest because they said Derek squealed on them to the FDA when they had one of their thyroid supplements out. If this is how they act toward each other I can't imagine what it must be like behind the scenes with the different companies trying to work together. They deserve to go out of business. It's really stupid if you think about it. Alcohol ruins more lives and kills more people than any drug let alone a prohormone. All they need to is make the min. age requirement like d.s said. I am not for the tax though................. F taxes.Those bloated socialist bureaucrats take enough of out money. The FDA is also tied in heavily with the pharmaceutical industry which also doesn't help especially with supplements that actually work.
 
Designer Supps said:
there should be a new orgination, like the FDA for supplements, requiring all supplement companies to test sample opf their products in FDA approved labsl, all labels should be exactly the same in showing the ingeradiants. everything should be regulated. Make a min age requirement either it is 18 or 21, (just like cigarettes and alch.). Add a tax to it, if that makes them feel better because they can then make some extra money off it.
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I like the idea, but would be scared that they would go overboard. I recently read an interview of the CEO of Phizer which said it costs $500 million to $800 million to bring a new product to market, and much of the cost is from the FDA testing. I read another article today where pharmaceutical companies aren't developing new anti-biotics because people are only on them for a short time (no cash flow from year around usage), and on top of that one of the new anti-biotics had to do a study on 20,000 people before it'd get approval.

~Todd
 
I thought we were the muscleheads . . . Why can't we just bully those weak, overweight politicians around? :confused:

Chris
 
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