superdrol vs anadrol in sides/toxicity

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    ive just given examples of people...myself included who bloated off superdrol....are you calling me and unreal liars? Because thats basically what im getting from this...WELCOME TO AM....read some logs....many people get a bloated effect from super....if you didnt...thats awesome!!! good for you....and again as far as lethargy or an "unwell" feeing from a bombs i experienced this too...and so did the author of steroid.com....one of the best referance sites in the steroid world....just because you didnt get these effects that makes teh rest of us wrong and liars???? hmmmm....i also just noticed you said you know people you have taken these compounds and are going off their results....please dont comment on things you havent run yourself.....

    Generally
    speaking superdrol will not give you bloat because of its diuretic properties. . . Nor have I heard or seen anyone experiencing bloat from superdrol while working at a supp store(Everyone reacts different to these compounds though). A very high percentage of people will have that lethargic feeling with orals reguardless of the type A BOMBs being one of those orals.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by jiggero View Post
    Are you calling myself and my friends liars?? You just got angry saying I called you and unreal liars and then you go and do the same thing, a bit hipocritical wouldn't you say
    have you read this thread at all or did you just jump in at the end....never once did i say that others shouldnt have different effects than what i had...im only giving examples of the sides that myself and many others have had....
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  3. idk if i said this but super was very dry for me.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Link24 View Post

    Generally
    speaking superdrol will not give you bloat because of its diuretic properties. . . Nor have I heard or seen anyone experiencing bloat from superdrol while working at a supp store(Everyone reacts different to these compounds though). A very high percentage of people will have that lethargic feeling with orals reguardless of the type A BOMBs being one of those orals.
    bingo....i just found this....

    first off superdrol is not a diuretic.....its a potent inhibitor of 11-beta hydroxylase which results in water retention....this is the same pathway that causes anadrols water retention....

  5. Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    bingo....i just found this....

    first off superdrol is not a diuretic.....its a potent inhibitor of 11-beta hydroxylase which results in water retention....this is the same pathway that causes anadrols water retention....
    Mooch, do you have a link to this? Typically 11b-hydroxylase inhibition results in the opposite of water retention from lowering cortisol & aldosterone. Many androgens are 11b-hydroxylase inhibitors and are without excess water retention except for those that aromatize, in which the bloat is estrogen mediated.

    Most of the testers of the original Designer Supplements Superdrol along with DS' original write-up claim SD as a diuretic. My only experiences with SD were w/the first run of DS' Superdrol and it was a dry experience. My total weight only went up a couple of pounds, and I added 1/2" to my arms, 1"+ to my chest, lowered BF%, etc. What version of methasteron did you use? I wonder if your & Unreal's experiences were do to differences in the products?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69 View Post
    Mooch, do you have a link to this? Typically 11b-hydroxylase inhibition results in the opposite of water retention from lowering cortisol & aldosterone. Many androgens are 11b-hydroxylase inhibitors and are without excess water retention except for those that aromatize, in which the bloat is estrogen mediated.

    Most of the testers of the original Designer Supplements Superdrol along with DS' original write-up claim SD as a diuretic. My only experiences with SD were w/the first run of DS' Superdrol and it was a dry experience. My total weight only went up a couple of pounds, and I added 1/2" to my arms, 1"+ to my chest, lowered BF%, etc. What version of methasteron did you use? I wonder if your & Unreal's experiences were do to differences in the products?
    according to seth roberts book "anabolic pharmacology" the inhibition of 11-beta hydroxylase results in water retention....whether it is in the form of subcutaneus edema like anadrol or some sort of intra-muscular/intra-cellular retention seems to depend on other factors....any more questions on this should be directed to him as its getting pretty over my head...


    edit: i used granite x from rockhard formulations

  7. mass...i just pm'ed seth....hopefully he will chime in here eventually....

  8. Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    mass...i just pm'ed seth....hopefully he will chime in here eventually....
    Cool.

    I've wanted to read that but haven't had the chance to pick it up.

  9. its completely changing my thoughts on many things in our world....so much of what we see on here is just broscience....but its presented in a way that it sounds legit....seths book has been much better for me than any other steroid book ive read...

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69 View Post
    Mooch, do you have a link to this? Typically 11b-hydroxylase inhibition results in the opposite of water retention from lowering cortisol & aldosterone. Many androgens are 11b-hydroxylase inhibitors and are without excess water retention except for those that aromatize, in which the bloat is estrogen mediated.
    Most of the testers of the original Designer Supplements Superdrol along with DS' original write-up claim SD as a diuretic. My only experiences with SD were w/the first run of DS' Superdrol and it was a dry experience. My total weight only went up a couple of pounds, and I added 1/2" to my arms, 1"+ to my chest, lowered BF%, etc. What version of methasteron did you use? I wonder if your & Unreal's experiences were do to differences in the products?
    seth credits this pathway for the water retention from super, anadrol and phera.....im sure their are others but those are the only ones ive seen so far...

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69 View Post
    Mooch, do you have a link to this? Typically 11b-hydroxylase inhibition results in the opposite of water retention from lowering cortisol & aldosterone. Many androgens are 11b-hydroxylase inhibitors and are without excess water retention except for those that aromatize, in which the bloat is estrogen mediated.

    Most of the testers of the original Designer Supplements Superdrol along with DS' original write-up claim SD as a diuretic. My only experiences with SD were w/the first run of DS' Superdrol and it was a dry experience. My total weight only went up a couple of pounds, and I added 1/2" to my arms, 1"+ to my chest, lowered BF%, etc. What version of methasteron did you use? I wonder if your & Unreal's experiences were do to differences in the products?
    You need to make the distinction between water retention and subcutaneous edema (bloat). They are two different things entirely. Most androgens tend to cause water retention -- many through the inhibiton of 11-beta hydroxylase which results in decreased cortisol and increased deoxycorticosterone, a potent mineralocorticoid and water retainer. Bloating, or subcutaneous edema is exacerbated by estrogens and results from the extravasation of plasma from the intracellularspace (or from capillaries) into the extracellular, subcutaneous space. You can have water retention without bloating and you can have bloating without water retention.

  12. You are correct that in my statement I probably should have been more specific in regards to "water retention" vs. "bloat." Since the topic of conversation was "bloat," I was not referring to muscular-intracellular water retention.

    With that being said, SD's water-retention is similar to the water rentention that happens 24-48 hours after a weight training session, resulting in a muscle-fullness look, and not bloat. It's no secret that Superdrol loads the muscle with glycogen & water along with building some new muscle, but Anadrol is known for producing a puffy, bloated look - aka subcutaneous edema.

    Seth, I do not have a copy of your book *wink-wink*, so I do not know the exact context of what Mooch paraphrased here:
    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321
    seth credits this pathway for the water retention from super, anadrol and phera.....im sure their are others but those are the only ones ive seen so far...
    Are your referring to water-retention or bloat when discussing these?

  13. I know what i had was Superdrol, the clone i had was from 2006 and totally legit, when the pills ran out i switched to another clone that had the same effects. Bloat definitely occurred, i was up 25 pounds, when i saw the scale going up i just kept eating because that's what i'm trained to do, with the pics i saw the magnitude of the bloat brought on. I think that perceiving SD as a carb monster was a part of why I was eating so much carbs, which really just translated into flabby gains.

  14. [QUOTE=Mass_69;2010985]You are correct that in my statement I probably should have been more specific in regards to "water retention" vs. "bloat." Since the topic of conversation was "bloat," I was not referring to muscular-intracellular water retention.

    With that being said, SD's water-retention is similar to the water rentention that happens 24-48 hours after a weight training session, resulting in a muscle-fullness look, and not bloat. It's no secret that Superdrol loads the muscle with glycogen & water along with building some new muscle, but Anadrol is known for producing a puffy, bloated look - aka subcutaneous edema.

    Seth, I do not have a copy of your book *wink-wink*, so I do not know the exact context of what Mooch paraphrased here:

    Are your referring to water-retention or bloat when discussing these?[/QUOT

    Bloat.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Link24 View Post

    Generally
    speaking superdrol will not give you bloat because of its diuretic properties. . . Nor have I heard or seen anyone experiencing bloat from superdrol while working at a supp store(Everyone reacts different to these compounds though). A very high percentage of people will have that lethargic feeling with orals reguardless of the type A BOMBs being one of those orals.
    But A Bombs will give you bloat.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    have you read this thread at all or did you just jump in at the end....never once did i say that others shouldnt have different effects than what i had...im only giving examples of the sides that myself and many others have had....
    No you said the sides of superdrol and anadrol were pretty similar and i said they are not.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Mass_69 View Post
    You are correct that in my statement I probably should have been more specific in regards to "water retention" vs. "bloat." Since the topic of conversation was "bloat," I was not referring to muscular-intracellular water retention.

    With that being said, SD's water-retention is similar to the water rentention that happens 24-48 hours after a weight training session, resulting in a muscle-fullness look, and not bloat. It's no secret that Superdrol loads the muscle with glycogen & water along with building some new muscle, but Anadrol is known for producing a puffy, bloated look - aka subcutaneous edema.

    Seth, I do not have a copy of your book *wink-wink*, so I do not know the exact context of what Mooch paraphrased here:

    Are your referring to water-retention or bloat when discussing these?
    Vidapreta answered for me -- too bad he answered incorrectly. I was referring to water retention. Superdrol causes significant water retention, but in most people, little to no bloat or subcutaneous edema. That is not to say this is true for everyone though. Some people have more propensity for bloating, probably due to their own unique estrogen milieu and the leakiness of their capillary beds. Diet - particularly sodium (of course) can enhance water retention and may promote bloating. I have seen time and time again where people with low sodium intake do not gain as much weight or bloat as much on AAS. This is due to the minarolocorticoid-like effect of many AAS - mostly through the increase in deoxycorticosterone.

    I think some people here may be splitting hairs. If you have increased acne, increased hair loss, increased blood pressure, a grapefruit sized prostate, decreased HDL, large increases in water retention from two compounds but one bloats for most people and one bloats for some people are the side effects more similar or more different. That being said, the side effects from any two compounds are probably more similar than different. In any case, as other people have said many times before, each AAS is unique and you really can't say "oh this compound is just like anavar" because unless it is anavar, it is not just like anavar. It may "feel" like anavar but "feel" means jack ****.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by sethroberts View Post
    I think some people here may be splitting hairs.
    Agreed. I was lurking and refraining from commenting in this thread until I saw Mooch's post about the means of water retention for SD and A-bombs, and my curiosity got the best of me.

    I think the bottom line here is that mg-for-mg, SD is more toxic, but, with each taken at their respective typical dosages, toxicity and side effects are similar. At the typical dosages used, some differences in the 2 include:

    - anadrol "bloat" tends to be absent with superdrol
    - hair loss tends to be less with superdrol than anadrol
    - superdrol may be a little more harsh on HDL than anadrol, but both will lower it

    I'm sure I left something out.

    Quote Originally Posted by sethroberts
    That being said, the side effects from any two compounds are probably more similar than different. In any case, as other people have said many times before, each AAS is unique and you really can't say "oh this compound is just like anavar" because unless it is anavar, it is not just like anavar. It may "feel" like anavar but "feel" means jack ****.
    Mmmm... M4OHN... wait, still not anavar. Screw it, may still have to bust it out this Summer
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