This is what I have decided on for my cycle

[3chris8]

p- plex: 20/20/30/30
m- drol: 0/ 0/ 0/ 10/ 20 / 30

pct: nolva- 40/ 40/ 20/ 10
clomid-150/125/100/ 50

cycle support, milk thistle, hawthorn berry, coq10 are all in place

i am also going to throw in 1 4mg testoderm patch a day the last 11 days of my cycle.

starting this cycle saturday, have already been loading milk thistle pre cycle.

tell me whats on your mind??

 

[nosnmiveins]

nolva and clomid doses are way too high. 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid for 4 weeks is sufficient. although using both serms isnt needed, i see no problem using both

 

[WhatsaRoid?]

nolva and clomid doses are way too high. 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid for 4 weeks is sufficient. although using both serms isnt needed, i see no problem using both

jeeez nos is right more isn't always better nore will it work faster or safer.

 

[Link24]

Looks pretty good man here is my pct recommendation
clomid :
Week 1 100,100,100, 75 the rest of the week
Week 2 - 50
Week 3 - 25
Week 4 - 25 ( week 4 is optional)
Novla :
Week 1 - 30
Week 2 - 20
Week 3 - 20
Week 4 - 10
Week 5-6 10 (Optional depending on shutdown)
Good luck on the cycle keep us updated on how its going.

 

[3chris8]

jeeez nos is right more isn't always better nore will it work faster or safer.

wow ive talked to a number of people and they have gave me dosages of clomid at 200/150/100/50
and nolva 40/40/20/20

:dunno:

 

[Link24]

wow ive talked to a number of people and they have gave me dosages of clomid at 200/150/100/50
and nolva 40/40/20/20

:dunno:

These people use high doses and then do not even taper? Thats like using an Ai at really high doses then tapering to a medium dose and stopping what do u think will happen? With Serms and AI's you need to taper to the minimum dose so you dont not get a rebound. This way your body doesn't feel the need to over compensate.

 

[3chris8]

These people use high doses and then do not even taper? Thats like using an Ai at really high doses then tapering to a medium dose and stopping what do u think will happen? With Serms and AI's you need to taper to the minimum dose so you dont not get a rebound. This way your body doesn't feel the need to over compensate.

i understand what your saying. i thought the clomid doses were way too high but so many people told me its fine i took their word for it but how you explained it makes a lot more sense. thanks bro
and i will be updating on how the cycle goes
not day to day but atleast 3 to 4 times a week:hitit:

 

[3chris8]

also what is a good reference point for how many mg's of milk thistle i should take a day during my pct?

 

[DeFit]

Anyone want to comment on how effective the ph's are stacked? Also, would it be a good idea to add novedex to the pct?

 

[DeFit]

forgot to mention I am looking for a reputable site to purchase clomid and nolva. if anyone has recommendations please pm!

 

[Link24]

also what is a good reference point for how many mg's of milk thistle i should take a day during my pct?

1 - 2 grams of 80% Extract should be good. . . To products I would recommend Liv52 and Liver Detoxifier By Now foods.

 

[Link24]

Anyone want to comment on how effective the ph's are stacked? Also, would it be a good idea to add novedex to the pct?

Yes, they are very effective together one is very anabolic, one is androgenic. Just do not run this without a SERM. No Novedex is not needed.

 

[DeFit]

Thanks for the info. I'm going to run this same cycle in about 10 days. I will update periodically my progress.

 

[DeFit]

one more question, would it be ok to substitute torem for the nolva and formex for the clomid in the PCT?

 

[crf524]

Just curious any experiencing running testoderm patches?

 

[UnrealMachine]

IMHO

clomid > nolva > toremifene