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    This is what I have decided on for my cycle


    p- plex: 20/20/30/30
    m- drol: 0/ 0/ 0/ 10/ 20 / 30

    pct: nolva- 40/ 40/ 20/ 10
    clomid-150/125/100/ 50

    cycle support, milk thistle, hawthorn berry, coq10 are all in place

    i am also going to throw in 1 4mg testoderm patch a day the last 11 days of my cycle.

    starting this cycle saturday, have already been loading milk thistle pre cycle.

    tell me whats on your mind??

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    nolva and clomid doses are way too high. 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid for 4 weeks is sufficient. although using both serms isnt needed, i see no problem using both
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    Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    nolva and clomid doses are way too high. 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid for 4 weeks is sufficient. although using both serms isnt needed, i see no problem using both
    jeeez nos is right more isn't always better nore will it work faster or safer.
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    Looks pretty good man here is my pct recommendation
    clomid :
    Week 1 100,100,100, 75 the rest of the week
    Week 2 - 50
    Week 3 - 25
    Week 4 - 25 ( week 4 is optional)
    Novla :
    Week 1 - 30
    Week 2 - 20
    Week 3 - 20
    Week 4 - 10
    Week 5-6 10 (Optional depending on shutdown)
    Good luck on the cycle keep us updated on how its going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatsaRoid? View Post
    jeeez nos is right more isn't always better nore will it work faster or safer.
    wow ive talked to a number of people and they have gave me dosages of clomid at 200/150/100/50
    and nolva 40/40/20/20

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3chris8 View Post
    wow ive talked to a number of people and they have gave me dosages of clomid at 200/150/100/50
    and nolva 40/40/20/20

    These people use high doses and then do not even taper? Thats like using an Ai at really high doses then tapering to a medium dose and stopping what do u think will happen? With Serms and AI's you need to taper to the minimum dose so you dont not get a rebound. This way your body doesn't feel the need to over compensate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Link24 View Post
    These people use high doses and then do not even taper? Thats like using an Ai at really high doses then tapering to a medium dose and stopping what do u think will happen? With Serms and AI's you need to taper to the minimum dose so you dont not get a rebound. This way your body doesn't feel the need to over compensate.
    i understand what your saying. i thought the clomid doses were way too high but so many people told me its fine i took their word for it but how you explained it makes a lot more sense. thanks bro
    and i will be updating on how the cycle goes
    not day to day but atleast 3 to 4 times a week
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    also what is a good reference point for how many mg's of milk thistle i should take a day during my pct?
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    Anyone want to comment on how effective the ph's are stacked? Also, would it be a good idea to add novedex to the pct?
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    forgot to mention I am looking for a reputable site to purchase clomid and nolva. if anyone has recommendations please pm!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3chris8 View Post
    also what is a good reference point for how many mg's of milk thistle i should take a day during my pct?
    1 - 2 grams of 80% Extract should be good. . . To products I would recommend Liv52 and Liver Detoxifier By Now foods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeFit View Post
    Anyone want to comment on how effective the ph's are stacked? Also, would it be a good idea to add novedex to the pct?
    Yes, they are very effective together one is very anabolic, one is androgenic. Just do not run this without a SERM. No Novedex is not needed.
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    Thanks for the info. I'm going to run this same cycle in about 10 days. I will update periodically my progress.
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    one more question, would it be ok to substitute torem for the nolva and formex for the clomid in the PCT?
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    Just curious any experiencing running testoderm patches?
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    IMHO

    clomid > nolva > toremifene
  

  
 

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