3chris8
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tell me what you think about the doses and overall cycle setup
p-plex 20/30/40/10
x-tren 90/90/90/120/120/120
m-drol 0 /0 /0 / 10/ 20/ 20
p-plex 20/30/40/10
x-tren 90/90/90/120/120/120
m-drol 0 /0 /0 / 10/ 20/ 20
lets here age, how many cycles you have done before, height and weight, etc,etc,etc...tell me what you think about the doses and overall cycle setup
p-plex 20/30/40/10
x-tren 90/90/90/120/120/120
m-drol 0 /0 /0 / 10/ 20/ 20
How did tren hinder gains??? Tren is a strength beast IMO... and when can push heavier weight u grow more.Besides I think that tren will hinder your gains as it is not a mass builder anyways makes you vascular and some strength.
Imo it hindered my gains when I took it because it shut me down very fast.
Let us know what you end up going with
Thats what I was thinking... All these people stack and get like 12 pounds...then the guy who is the same weight runs one and gets 12 pounds... makes me scratch my head.You can problably get the same results from all three together from just one...
mooch is always right....except for that one time...december 3, 1992....what a day!
lolwhats that saying? "its hard to be modest when your a genius"
Thats what I was thinking... All these people stack and get like 12 pounds...then the guy who is the same weight runs one and gets 12 pounds... makes me scratch my head.
I find this to also be true... Usually find 10-15lbs is the max until u start adding fat or bloating... First SD cycle I gained 23lbs but looked like a puffed up fish. But was strong as an ox. But if u can add on lean mass on the upper end would be a crazy cycle.Yeah 15 which were most likely fat. I can gain 10 pounds in 24 hours if I eat 10k carbs. Most of the people you see gaining 20-30lb on a PH are plumping up quite a bit too. Maybe they dont mind and just want to gain weight, but muscle wise i'd like to see someone who gained more than 15lb of LBM in 4-6 weeks.
i was debating on the tren, i have phera and sd right now but not tren cuz i hadent made my mind up weather i was gonna go with it... from the feedback i am getting i will drop the tren.In my opinion drop the tren that **** is going to shut you down so hard. Not to mention the blood pressure rise especially while having phera and Sd in there. They both raise Bp, enlarge prostate, etc. Besides I think that tren will hinder your gains as it is not a mass builder anyways makes you vascular and some strength. Stick with a 20/20/20/30 Phera
0/0/0/10/20/20 Sd this cycle is tried and true not to mention toxic and the size gain will be nothing short of great. So just my 2 cents drop the tren it a non methyl but that doesnt mean its all that safe. Imo it hindered my gains when I took it because it shut me down very fast.
Let us know what you end up going with
what would you suggest for the dosages of clomid for 4 weeks?i disagree with most everybody....i think your original plan looks to be a good run....with the proper on cycle support and a very comprehensive pct this would be a good run....on the other hand your clomid dosing in your pct is way too high...
Yeah, the shutdown will be hard with just those 2 compounds and from my experience tren shuts you down way faster than both of those compounds. You will be very pleased with the phera/Sd combo though its a great stack. As for the clomid :i was debating on the tren, i have phera and sd right now but not tren cuz i hadent made my mind up weather i was gonna go with it... from the feedback i am getting i will drop the tren.
wouldnt my test be shut down pretty hard anyway with the sd and phera?
get clomid and nolva...they do different thingswhat would you suggest for the dosages of clomid for 4 weeks?
i was debating on the tren, i have phera and sd right now but not tren cuz i hadent made my mind up weather i was gonna go with it... from the feedback i am getting i will drop the tren.
wouldnt my test be shut down pretty hard anyway with the sd and phera?
agreed, on all points.honestly bro...your original notion was a hardcore cycle but it was pretty kickass! shut down is nothing to be scared of....thats what pct is for....it is definately not a beginers cycle but if your ready it will work very well.....if your gonna drop anything i leave out one of the methyls before i quit the "tren"....
hey thanks mangood luck with the cycle bro
hey thanks for all the advice and i do agree with you on the shutdown part of things, if it didnt happen we wouldnt need clomid, nolva etcagreed, on all points.
If you are going to drop then drop either the phera or the SD, save your liver!!!
I think tren and either SD and phera would be awesome. Another one of the combos I was thinking about also.
I think SD and tren would be a strength beast, but also thats one anabolic stack, very low androgenic. Just my thoughts is you would get super strong, hard and vascular.
so something like:
Tren 90/90/90/90/120/120 (not sure if 120 is needed)
SD 0/0/0/10/20/20
Or Tren and Phera. Think this would garner better size due to the phera. (but that being said i have run SD twice, once on high cal diet and blew up and then second time lower and definately more lean gains). Not sure if there would be a big difference in strength gains. Some feel you will bloat on phera, others dont... so i think depending on your diet is how they affect you, but feel the phera and tren would add more size.
Tren 90/90/90/90/120/120 (not sure if 120 is needed)
Phera 0/0/20/30/30/30
Like I said I am very interested in all four because I have the same idea for a cycle in the fall.
I think the power of tren is way under estimated... yes it is not a bulker on it own, but i can speak from stacking it with havoc, it is a sick stacker, esp when added to something that helps put on mass. This is why I think phera and tren would be amazing and would have less methyl stress than a phera bridge to SD.
All these people crying about being shut down... like it was said before... thats what PCT is for. What do think happens when you inj test for 12 weeks? hmmm......... then you get on PCT and recover, ie what Post Cycle Therapy is there for. If you have your bases cover and KNOW what you are doing you will be fine, just my 2 cents.