H-drol + (epi or mmv2)
- 05-12-2009, 11:57 PM
H-drol + (epi or mmv2)
I am planning my next cycle for late September. It will be a lean gain and strength gain/cutting cycle and I believe I have 2 good options lined up so far.
This will not be my first PH cycle nor my first dual compound stack but it will be my first cycle with any of these products and have learned my lesson about not doing proper research!
I realize that epi and mmv2 are completely different compunds but I feel like they both fit into my goals and need help deciding which fits best!
As of now I am leaning towards the h-drol/epi and would probably run the h-drol 50/50/75/75/100 and the epistane 30/30/40/40/40 + support supps. Should I expect quite a bit of libido shutdown w/ this cyle? Acne?
weeks 3-7 should I run either reversitol or PCS and why
do I need a cort blocker as well?
h-drol 50/75/75/100/100 and mmv2(not quite sure about dosing on that yet) + supports. I know sides should be quite low for this.
For PCT iForce reversitol, PCS, Lean FX
Has anyone run both options? I am assuming the gains would be quite a bit stronger on the epi over the mmv2 and am trying to decide if is worth dealing with potentially a few more sides(even though epi isn't too harsh, relatively speaking!)
Thanks in advance and please be critical of any/all parts of this cycle. If you have any other completely diffent stacks I will consider as long as their is some logic to back up the suggestion!
- 05-13-2009, 12:03 AM
I havent run both, but i didnt really like it too much. And i think people might overestimate its mildness.
Both are good choice, but id go with epi.
Thats what im planning on. I may stack it with another non-methyl though, im still researching.
05-13-2009, 12:12 AM
05-13-2009, 03:04 PM
05-13-2009, 06:44 PM
05-13-2009, 08:54 PM
05-13-2009, 09:08 PM
you are dumb if you run 2 methyl products. all your saying is shut down my organs
tren/epi sounds more much better man look into 1-t tren
05-13-2009, 09:57 PM
While I know a lot of peolple throw out a general statement of not running 2 methyl compounds, I have read/talked to several people who have ran h-drol/epi stacks and were quite pleased with the setup. Some did say they experienced some shut down, but with proper organ supports and a proper PCT setup, it accomplished their goals.
I understand and am willing to deal w/ potentially more sides if I run the h-drol/epi, but am trying to decide if the extra gains are worth the extra sides!
With all of that said, I will def. consider/research some of the tren compounds. I had written them off initially, b/c I had bad luck with a Tren PCT due to a bad source of liquid Clomid. I believe that has changed. I just ordered some Nolva the other day and will go ahead and order some Clomid. I am going to wait until I have SERM in hand to make the decision on which compounds to run.
So now we have 4 choices:
If you suggest one of the tren options, please specify which Tren product you prefer and dosages! And I'm not sure how I feel about topicals!
05-13-2009, 10:25 PM
05-14-2009, 12:34 AM
If i were to stack something with epi, itd be on the wet side.
you could also do epi/ max lmg
its not methaylated,like tren.
im taking a long look at that.
Its a wet compound, also a progestin like tren, but i has different positives.
It supposedly increases recovery greatly and ive read nothing but mainly good things. Ive
Epi/Max Lmg would be very strong and would shut you down as hard as epi/tren. Epi/max lmg just seems like a better stack to me. I really want to do it.
Nutraplanet does not sell Max Lmg clones, they should.
Max Lmg Clones
X-mass-used to be max lmg,but the one they are selling currently is actually the tren compound.
Diabolic Lab Mass Lmg
05-14-2009, 12:43 AM
id run sustain alpha during the cycle to slightly mitigate shutdown. I dont know if this works, but ive heard some people say good things a bout this. Plus others whove used test booster on their cycles with some fairly less pronounced shutdown. I havent done this though,so i cant give a fair assesment, i am planning to try it out.
Id do low dose nolva, Diesel Test hardcore, a cort blocker, and transdernamal formestane.
05-14-2009, 05:14 AM
05-14-2009, 06:22 PM
So I am now really interested in either the h-drol/tren or the epi/tren, any more inputs on which to will show better lean bulking/mild cutting gains?
I have never used Torem but have a good source fot it. From what I have read, it seems to be better than the clomid option for some stacks.
Is Torem the best choice for epi/tren? Is it the best choice for h-drol/tren?
05-14-2009, 06:59 PM
From what I understand h-drol takes a few weeks to really kick in, so you'd be better off running that first and bridging into whatever it is you decide to bridge into (like epi for example)
05-14-2009, 11:27 PM
05-15-2009, 04:19 AM
no way 2 methyl compounds. say go bye liver and elevated bp. h-drol & havoc/epi are methyl
h-drol and epi are great for cutting/ strength. tren is good for bulk lean mass. h-drol is my fav pro-h by far so thats y i suggested it, also very mild.
as for ptc if you use tren clomid is the only serm that will recover you from tren. if your only useing h-drol use iforce reversitol 3/2/2/1
05-15-2009, 03:10 PM
05-16-2009, 03:31 AM
from more than 5 threads on tren ptc. all talk about clomid as the best and only to control gyno from prolactin. not saying running nolva wont recover you
05-16-2009, 10:57 AM
qwerty33 you do realize that people stack two methyls all the time dont you. Most famous of these is superdrol/pheraplex. I have ran MANY dual methyl cycles successfully. Currently I am running an H-drol and E-stane cycle as follows
hdrol 50, 50, 75, 75, 75
epi --, 20, 30, 30, 40
I started week 3 today and I must say I am very pleased with my results. Much more so than what I expected. Oh and I am also running clenbuterol and will be useing nolva for PCT
05-16-2009, 03:27 PM
texas- have you ran either h-drol/tren or epi/tren? I would like a comparison to your current stack as those are still my main three options. I def. agree that running two methyls should not be a huge problem as I will all of my supports lined up and a solid PCT in hand before I start the cycle.
Anyone else want to chime in who has experience running at least two of my three possibilities: h-drol/epi, h-drol/tren, and/or epi/tren? I would liike to hear from some people who have tried at least two of the three so that they can give a direct comparison. I have heard great things about all three stacks but have only found one person who has run more than one!
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