next cycle - summer recomp

[UnrealMachine]

Well i'm a few weeks done with PCT from my last cycle, which was a pretty thoroughly disappointing test cycle. I was going to try moving on to stronger injectables like tren, but instead i'm going to use up my oral 19-nor and the rest of my test prop in a recomp cycle. I am not anticipating that the test will do much of anything except keep me feeling good and horny. I feel like some kind of non-responder to test as even 700mg a week didn't help me make gains faster than usual, it's disappointing but the show must go on.

I am choosing my 19-nor because I think the stuff will work on me, a ways back i popped T-Roid for 3 days and noticed muscle hardening in that time period which is usually indicative of the anabolic "working" as opposed to not working, a category that many orals seem to fall under for me.

Tentatively starting July 1:

1-6 test prop 100mg eod
19-nor T-Roid 90/90/120/120/150/150

so it's a 6 week test and "tren" stack. The goal will be to maintain weight, add strength, and lose bodyfat. 4 days a week of mostly strength-based weightlifting to improve muscle hardness and density, and 3 days a week of cardio. Carbs in moderation, cals probably just over 3K.

I had been considering throwing in Clen in the usual 2 on 2 off fashion but with the high dosed 19-nor I am wondering if i want to put that much stress on my body. Anybody run clen with "tren"?

pct will certainly be clomid.

 

[Liftingstud]

Well i'm a few weeks done with PCT from my last cycle, which was a pretty thoroughly disappointing test cycle. I was going to try moving on to stronger injectables like tren, but instead i'm going to use up my oral 19-nor and the rest of my test prop in a recomp cycle. I am not anticipating that the test will do much of anything except keep me feeling good and horny. I feel like some kind of non-responder to test as even 700mg a week didn't help me make gains faster than usual, it's disappointing but the show must go on.

I am choosing my 19-nor because I think the stuff will work on me, a ways back i popped T-Roid for 3 days and noticed muscle hardening in that time period which is usually indicative of the anabolic "working" as opposed to not working, a category that many orals seem to fall under for me.

Tentatively starting July 1:

1-6 test prop 100mg eod
19-nor T-Roid 90/90/120/120/150/150

so it's a 6 week test and "tren" stack. The goal will be to maintain weight, add strength, and lose bodyfat. 4 days a week of mostly strength-based weightlifting to improve muscle hardness and density, and 3 days a week of cardio. Carbs in moderation, cals probably just over 3K.

I had been considering throwing in Clen in the usual 2 on 2 off fashion but with the high dosed 19-nor I am wondering if i want to put that much stress on my body. Anybody run clen with "tren"?

pct will certainly be clomid.

The reason u don't gain is your diet. You are 230ish rating only 3000 cals!?!?!? I am 190ish and my maintance is like 3100 to 3250 a day. Get your cals up esp on cycle and watch yourself grow.

 

[nosnmiveins]

The reason u don't gain is your diet. You are 230ish rating only 3000 cals!?!?!? I am 190ish and my maintance is like 3100 to 3250 a day. Get your cals up esp on cycle and watch yourself grow.

this is not the case for Unreal.....he knows his ****. his goal is to lose bf% in this cycle....hence ~3000 cals

 

[mooch2321]

everybody is different bro....im 225 and i bulk at 3200 or so.....unreal knows his sh!t....
unreal...f#ck clen man i hate that stuff....how about a little t3 to get things going?

 

[UnrealMachine]

The reason u don't gain is your diet. You are 230ish rating only 3000 cals!?!?!? I am 190ish and my maintance is like 3100 to 3250 a day. Get your cals up esp on cycle and watch yourself grow.

I wasn't eating 3000 cals when i was bulking. I am planning my summer recomp here, where about 3K cals is perfect for losing fat while trying to gain strength, hopefully the tren will help there.

everybody is different bro....im 225 and i bulk at 3200 or so.....unreal knows his sh!t....
unreal...f#ck clen man i hate that stuff....how about a little t3 to get things going?

I've never tried T3. Never looked into it much either, i know it's catabolic but i'm running enough anabolics to more than compensate so it could work. How would you recommend using T3 during this 6 week period? And how well has it worked for you, i've always been skeptical but clen could work better so i'm open to try new things.

 

[mooch2321]

t3 is bad ass.....i like to take a night time dose and i literally wake up leaner every day....i would start with like 20mcg and taper up to 50mcg or so....i was a fat burning machine at that point so i never saw the need to go higher....but some guys will go up to 100mcg a day....i think it would be a much better addition than clen....i hate clen....and with test and "tren" you wont have a problem with muscle loss....

 

[UnrealMachine]

Damn mooch that has me convinced. Clen is kinda disappointing, T3 sounds like a good addition. I really want to get to 8% bodyfat.

damn my favorite chem dealer doesn't specify the mg/mL on their T3 and their contact us is down

 

[UKStrength]

Sorry to hear about the Test not working for you mate, you're already a beast (close to your genetic potential?) so maybe the Tren is what you need to get those gains.

Good luck mate, I'd like to try Tren as my next injectable.

 

[mooch2321]

yeah i dont think i will ever really cut again without it.....

 

[UnrealMachine]

Sorry to hear about the Test not working for you mate, you're already a beast (close to your genetic potential?) so maybe the Tren is what you need to get those gains.

Good luck mate, I'd like to try Tren as my next injectable.

I really can't be close to my genetic potential, i'm too young and i'm not that big. I wish i had injectable tren, but i'm talking about the oral stuff that isn't tren at all, just called tren so stupid supp heads buy it, i don't like the false advertising either but that's how the PH market works.

I don't know what i need to get bigger, i've kinda given up on it, for now i'd just like to maintain what i've got while shredding bodyfat. Summer is the best time for me to make progress, as it is i'm taking over 20 units so i'm kinda busy.

 

[UnrealMachine]

ok, getting a little more intense now:

version 1.1

1-6 test prop 100mg eod
19-nor T-Roid 90/90/120/120/150/150
1-2 Superdrol 10/20

T3 ran as follows:
week 1: 25/25/25/50/50/50/50
week 2: 75
weeks 3-4: 100
week 5: 75
week 6: 50/50/50/50/25/25/25

I was not sure on how to run this, there's a lot of controversy on the subject of ramping up and down and how long is spent doing so, however i feel this is a decent compromise and should work well... open to input from T3 users.

Mooch i see you recommend lower doses... I'm planning on adjusting my dose based on my response so I may not go that high.

The superdrol in the first two weeks is there because I know SD works well and the first 2 weeks are where SD shows plenty of gains for me. I am trying to use this to really load in my muscles and get my strength going before the hand off to tren. Hopefully 120 and 150mg of "tren" will be enough, i'm just unsure of whether it will work on me.

 

[Link24]

I wouldnt go 150 on that tren man tried that for 2 days and my Bp flew up to 170/ 95+. The sides werent worth the gains for me as far as strength and vascularity.But you may have already dosed at that before so to each there own. As for the T3 I wouldnt go up to 100 and I would for sure taper off slower.
Week 1 25
Week 2 50
Week 3-4 75
Week 5 50
Week 6-7 25
You will see great fat loss from this no doubt man. I think the slow taper is a must as you have just taken your thyroid to levels it has never been before. And its need some time to adjust 2 weeks at 25 should be enough. JUst my .02

 

[UnrealMachine]

Thanks for the advice. i'll be sure to take more time on the taper down at the end. I will only increase the dose to 100 if 75 isn't "doing it"

I haven't run the "tren" before, i'm just going by my response to most steroids. I am crossing my fingers that 150mg will do the job at all. I've run SD at 30mg, Epi at 50mg, phera at 50mg, never had sides that would discourage me from dosing even higher... only significant sides i've ever had were back pumps from Superdrol, but they were pretty ignorable even without taurine.

 

[bigzach1234]

i had worse back pumps on trenadrol then on sd... so be careful squatting was almost impossible.. i could never work out back and legs on consecutive days with trenadrol.. never... also.. epi at 50mg wasnt even close to the sides i had at 120mg tren.. i had far far worse sides at 90mg tren then 50mg epi.. just a heads up

 

[crazyfool405]

Sorry to hear about the Test not working for you mate, you're already a beast (close to your genetic potential?) so maybe the Tren is what you need to get those gains.

Good luck mate, I'd like to try Tren as my next injectable.

ohhhh man its yummy,

tren is the shizzz one it now lol

and my weiner is always workin feel like a ****in pornstar

 

[UnrealMachine]

i had worse back pumps on trenadrol then on sd... so be careful squatting was almost impossible.. i could never work out back and legs on consecutive days with trenadrol.. never... also.. epi at 50mg wasnt even close to the sides i had at 120mg tren.. i had far far worse sides at 90mg tren then 50mg epi.. just a heads up

Ah but you are talking about Trenadrol (normal dose 60mg) and I am talking about 19-nor aka 4,9-estra "tren Xtreme "Xtreme Tren" which is 90mg normal dose. It's less potent than trenadrol. But if i do actually get sides on week 4 say, i won't bump it up to 150. It'll be an elastic upper limit.