How long after a PH before drinking?
- 05-05-2009, 11:06 PM
How long after a PH before drinking?
I've done epi and mdrol in the past. I recently did an mdrol cycle and just finished up pct with nolva. There is a HUGE party this weekend (the college graduation parties around here are known to be insane beer fests) and I plan on drinking.
How many beers would be too many about a month after finishing mdrol?
- 05-05-2009, 11:24 PM
u can drink after u have finished pct. how many beers u have depends on ur tolerance. i remember after my epi cycle, only 2 months without any alcohol and i was a little sloppy after 2 shots of JD.
05-06-2009, 06:56 AM
05-06-2009, 12:11 PM
if you took anything for liver support id prob recomend you continue taking that till and after the drinking fest ur going to. Keep hydrated too.
05-06-2009, 03:34 PM
05-06-2009, 06:56 PM
I allow myself to have alcohol as early as the 2nd week of pct. at that point the orals should be out of your system and they should have no load on your liver.
but like i've said, alcohol is just terrible for bodybuilders.
05-06-2009, 07:04 PM
I'm going out of town in my third week of PCT and I'm going somewhere it's going to be very hard to resist drinking because everyone around me will be doing it. No question I can refrain if I have to but I'd like to partake for the few days I'll be away.
05-06-2009, 07:16 PM
If you want to drink then drink if you really cared about your health why not just dont drink. I myself can order water or maybe one glass of wine and sip it or get a drink thats low alcohol and taste good.
05-06-2009, 07:26 PM
u should probably watch for gyno flair ups to, alcohol has a tendency to play with hormone levels a bit and u should prob have letro on hand... I really dont know what to say other than i hope u keep ur gains its awfully early to start drinking, not to mention keeping a good diet to support what u have got from the cycle.... idk man its ur body tho its up to u. on the bright side if some girl finds u massively attractive and wants u, u wont have to worry about whiskey ****... thats always a plus
05-06-2009, 07:36 PM
Letro haha I wouldnt use letro as Letro damn near kills all estro and if not tapering correctly could result in estro rebound.
05-07-2009, 12:24 AM
still if tapered correctly its not terrible..well not that its not terrible but if theres a gyno flair it helps alleviate that. IDK what to really recomend in a situation like this cause i have no experience drinking so early off a cycle, and or hearing about it much.
05-07-2009, 07:14 AM
Some different oppnions... Hmm.. I'm not exactly sure what I will do yet. I'm sure I will have a few drinks, but maybe I won't get enhiliated. haha
05-07-2009, 12:44 PM
Wait a second... Has anyone else picked up on the fact that OP hasn't even graduated college? You are way too young to be using this stuff and too immature if getting annihilated is something you do recreationally.
05-07-2009, 01:10 PM
05-07-2009, 07:05 PM
05-07-2009, 07:15 PM
My cycle was as follows:
Mdrol: 20/20/20 (10 for the 1st 2 days and 30 for the last 3)
Nolva(the SERM, not xt): 50x2days, 25x11days, 12.5x14days
I use cycle supports year round. With pct I used: activate xtreme and retain2.
05-07-2009, 09:20 PM
Question...I'm not talking about affecting my workouts but physically how bad is it to drink while on a injectable cycle. I drank regularly on my last cycle. On quite a few occasions.....a lot!
05-08-2009, 12:38 AM
Alcohol also causes an increase in estrogen levels, we all know what this means.
alcohol intake will assist with diminished liver function, and the elimination of excess hormones, drugs and metabolic wastes.
One effect of drinking alcohol is "blood-sludging" where the red blood cells clump together causing the small blood vessels to plug up, starve the tissues of oxygen, and cause cell death. This cell death is most serious, and often unrecognized, in the brain. With this increased pressure, capillaries break, create red eyes in the morning, or the red, blotchy skin seen on the heavy drinker's face. Blood vessels can also break in the stomach and esophagus leading to hemorrhage, even death.
Other effects of alcohol on the blood include: anemia; sedation of the bone marrow (which reduces the red and white blood count, and weakens the bone structure); lowered resistance to infection; and a decrease in the ability to fight off infections
Alcohol reduces blood flow to the muscles, including the heart, causing muscle weakness and deterioration. One outcome is cardiomyopathy (sluggish heart) which is common in alcoholics. Another outcome, arrhythmia (irregular heartbeat), or "holiday heart,"is often treated in emergency wards after several days of party drinking. Muscle aches are a common symptom of excessive-drinking "hangovers."
As far as health the primary concern should be your liver/kidney function since you are already taxing your liver and the damage that could be done is irreversible. In terms of how much is too much depends on the injectable u where on. doseage, internal response, how good your PCT and on cycle nutrition and supporting supplements are. As well as the effect alcohol has on you, your tollerance, doseage, and genetic and or hereditary disposition to liver health (ie alcoholics in the family)...
All in all alcohol obviously isnt as dangerous as doing other things however in this certain situation and with the wrong combinations of variables can yield long lasting life changes that are irreversible...
Sorry to post so much but i have been trying to do some research on this topic since it was posted, and this is what i have come up with thus far.
05-08-2009, 08:30 AM
05-08-2009, 08:54 AM
haha well i have just been doing a lot of research to try and understand the subject matter of the post better, but im glad i could help!
05-08-2009, 10:20 AM
You'll be fine...take the day after to recover hardcore. Water all day, increase protein and clean carbs for that rebound day...maybe instead of hittin up burger king for that hangover breakfast go to the subway instead
05-08-2009, 12:27 PM
Come on. Give me a break. Your acting like if this man goes to one party his life will be over and his liver will fall out. Dude you can drink, you don't need out permission. Your gonna do it anyway so just have fun
05-08-2009, 12:48 PM
An occasional drink isn't going to kill someone who's using. But this guy's talking about a weekend of debauchery where he plans on getting "annihilated." This should not be done with any oral.
But hey, to each his own. Hopefully OP's research leads him to a safe conclusion. I don't think he'll find many who will give him that advice. This is one case where reputation points should be taken into consideration when taking someone's advice.
05-08-2009, 01:41 PM
2ndly no one was telling him what to do i believe it was all friendly suggestions and we all even tried to give support with ideas of eating, fluid intake and keeping the PCT extended while he drank, this thread never said "no dont do that ur retarded goto hell". Thats absolutely the wrong way to take it. He had a question and a variety of people gave varying answers based on their knowledge.
3rdly I nor did anyone else say that he should stop drinking completely, the issue at hand (in my concerns) was the liver toxicity and the decreased hormone levels and the inability to metabolize those hormones. No one should ever give out advice to blatantly hurt someone and we all gave our reasons for our ideas and even possible solutions to counter balance this.
And yes ur going to do it anyway just go have fun could result in liver problems a gyno flair or maybe somethign else that no one has thought of yet... just voicing concerns..
but hey i need to drive home soon..and im going to drink anyways so im gonna go get tanked before i get in the car....
05-08-2009, 01:54 PM
Why can't there be a compromise? he doesn't HAVE to get annihilated, does he? If you didn't drink in a long time your tolorance will be way down. Just take a couple shots to get a little 'loose'. IMO this is always the best option, you have fun and you don't get stupid, no hangovers either.
05-08-2009, 02:03 PM
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