How long after a PH before drinking?
05-05-2009 11:06 PM
How long after a PH before drinking?
I've done epi and mdrol in the past. I recently did an mdrol cycle and just finished up pct with nolva. There is a HUGE party this weekend (the college graduation parties around here are known to be insane beer fests) and I plan on drinking.
How many beers would be too many about a month after finishing mdrol?
05-05-2009 11:24 PM
u can drink after u have finished pct. how many beers u have depends on ur tolerance. i remember after my epi cycle, only 2 months without any alcohol and i was a little sloppy after 2 shots of JD.
05-06-2009 06:56 AM
That is what I thought. Thanks.
Originally Posted by bigpapa
05-06-2009 12:11 PM
if you took anything for liver support id prob recomend you continue taking that till and after the drinking fest ur going to. Keep hydrated too.
05-06-2009 03:34 PM
i take cycle support year round. I cap it and take 3 am and 3 pm. 5caps=1serving, so hopefully this has helped my liver out a bit. I'm taking 9 a day until two days after the party.
Originally Posted by slacker86
05-06-2009 06:56 PM
I allow myself to have alcohol as early as the 2nd week of pct. at that point the orals should be out of your system and they should have no load on your liver.
but like i've said, alcohol is just terrible for bodybuilders.
05-06-2009 07:04 PM
Can anyone else comment on this?
Originally Posted by UnrealMachine
I'm going out of town in my third week of PCT and I'm going somewhere it's going to be very hard to resist drinking because everyone around me will be doing it. No question I can refrain if I have to but I'd like to partake for the few days I'll be away.
05-06-2009 07:16 PM
If you want to drink then drink if you really cared about your health why not just dont drink. I myself can order water or maybe one glass of wine and sip it or get a drink thats low alcohol and taste good.
05-06-2009 07:26 PM
u should probably watch for gyno flair ups to, alcohol has a tendency to play with hormone levels a bit and u should prob have letro on hand... I really dont know what to say other than i hope u keep ur gains its awfully early to start drinking, not to mention keeping a good diet to support what u have got from the cycle.... idk man its ur body tho its up to u. on the bright side if some girl finds u massively attractive and wants u, u wont have to worry about whiskey ****... thats always a plus
05-06-2009 07:36 PM
Letro haha I wouldnt use letro as Letro damn near kills all estro and if not tapering correctly could result in estro rebound.
05-07-2009 12:24 AM
still if tapered correctly its not terrible..well not that its not terrible but if theres a gyno flair it helps alleviate that. IDK what to really recomend in a situation like this cause i have no experience drinking so early off a cycle, and or hearing about it much.
05-07-2009 07:14 AM
Some different oppnions... Hmm.. I'm not exactly sure what I will do yet. I'm sure I will have a few drinks, but maybe I won't get enhiliated. haha
05-07-2009 12:44 PM
Wait a second... Has anyone else picked up on the fact that OP hasn't even graduated college? You are way too young to be using this stuff and too immature if getting annihilated is something you do recreationally.
05-07-2009 01:10 PM
I havent viewed his age. I myself havent graduated yet and im 23. I dont think I will be done till I'm 24, and if hes out of the army and going to school chances are he is lot older than that so i didnt really put too much thought into it. However I am assuming he just had some bad timing and didnt plan out his cycle accordingly to his "once in a while HUGE party weekend". Although I completely agree that getting annihilated is not in any way shape or form good for health, good for body building, and may carry some risks that arent very well documented because not many people drink so shortly after a cycle especially on something so potent of a PH. Although this would be a good chance for him to write down his cycle, his PCT and do a log of what effects drinking so shortly after a PCT can do and what gains are lost or maintained or anything like that, just out of curiosity I would be interested to see how it went and if there where any problems. DEFINATELY not looking to suggest to people this is ok or normal, but would be good to demonstrate the effects of drinking so early after a PCT.
Originally Posted by LAGear
05-07-2009 07:05 PM
I'm was old enough to be using all of the compounds I've taken. Well unless 21 is no longer the magic age, in which case I may not be. Also.... I'll be in college until I am atleast 23, just to get my major. 4 more years if I want to be a chiro... Also, I am not too immature, and I do not do much drinking. I've only drank once in the last 6 months.
Originally Posted by LAGear
I didn't even think about the graduation parties. I stopped drinking at all of the parties after the first couple weeks of September.. Since then I never really worried about it. I'll post back on sunday with the results/changes I see after drinking.
Originally Posted by slacker86
05-07-2009 07:15 PM
My cycle was as follows:
Mdrol: 20/20/20 (10 for the 1st 2 days and 30 for the last 3)
Nolva(the SERM, not xt): 50x2days, 25x11days, 12.5x14days
I use cycle supports year round. With pct I used: activate xtreme and retain2.
05-07-2009 09:20 PM
Question...I'm not talking about affecting my workouts but physically how bad is it to drink while on a injectable cycle. I drank regularly on my last cycle. On quite a few occasions.....a lot!
05-08-2009 12:38 AM
Injectables are a lot less stressful on the liver but there is still stress being put on the liver and kidneys. Now as far as talkingabout just health and not what u actually lost because of drinking is not a fun topic. First and foremost when taxing a liver constantly (and any organ in the human body) the response to taxation and overuse is not anywhere close to the way skeletal muscle responds. You cannot make ur liver stronger by using it more, and or doing anything like that. The primary concern would be cirrhosis of the liver. That is that the damaged liver replaces the damaged liver tissue with scar tissue, this will dramatically cause the liver size to increase and decrease liver function. There are varying degrees of cirrhosis and some of the degrees do not have any outward symptoms and cannot be recognized till a liver test or in some cases a liver biopsy. There is no treatment for cirrhosis and although steps can be taken to prolong the livers functional life, will never get rid of the damage done.
Originally Posted by triton185
Alcohol also causes an increase in estrogen levels, we all know what this means.
alcohol intake will assist with diminished liver function, and the elimination of excess hormones, drugs and metabolic wastes.
One effect of drinking alcohol is "blood-sludging" where the red blood cells clump together causing the small blood vessels to plug up, starve the tissues of oxygen, and cause cell death. This cell death is most serious, and often unrecognized, in the brain. With this increased pressure, capillaries break, create red eyes in the morning, or the red, blotchy skin seen on the heavy drinker's face. Blood vessels can also break in the stomach and esophagus leading to hemorrhage, even death.
Other effects of alcohol on the blood include: anemia; sedation of the bone marrow (which reduces the red and white blood count, and weakens the bone structure); lowered resistance to infection; and a decrease in the ability to fight off infections
Alcohol reduces blood flow to the muscles, including the heart, causing muscle weakness and deterioration. One outcome is cardiomyopathy (sluggish heart) which is common in alcoholics. Another outcome, arrhythmia (irregular heartbeat), or "holiday heart,"is often treated in emergency wards after several days of party drinking. Muscle aches are a common symptom of excessive-drinking "hangovers."
As far as health the primary concern should be your liver/kidney function since you are already taxing your liver and the damage that could be done is irreversible. In terms of how much is too much depends on the injectable u where on. doseage, internal response, how good your PCT and on cycle nutrition and supporting supplements are. As well as the effect alcohol has on you, your tollerance, doseage, and genetic and or hereditary disposition to liver health (ie alcoholics in the family)...
All in all alcohol obviously isnt as dangerous as doing other things however in this certain situation and with the wrong combinations of variables can yield long lasting life changes that are irreversible...
Sorry to post so much but i have been trying to do some research on this topic since it was posted, and this is what i have come up with thus far.
05-08-2009 08:30 AM
Very good post! Thanks. Makes me not want to drink at all!
05-08-2009 08:54 AM
haha well i have just been doing a lot of research to try and understand the subject matter of the post better, but im glad i could help!
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