Susta/Deca/Winny - Cycle Advise
- 04-21-2009, 09:12 PM
Susta/Deca/Winny - Cycle Advise
I need some experienced help in adjusting my cycle here. It is my first real gear cycle after a few PS/PH ones.
Sustanon250: wk 1 to 10 - 500mg
Deca: wk 3 to 12 - 200mg
Winny: wk 6 to 12 - 50mg
Adex: wk 3 to 14 - 0.5mg
HCG: wk 6 - 300ui/day for 5 days
HCG: wk 13 and 14 - 300ui/day for 5 days
Clomid: wk 13 to 16 - 50mg
I don't want to **** it up, so please criticize as much as you can.
My main questions are on the TPC. Is 4-week tpc enough ? Do I have the right dose on the HCG ?
Thanks a lot guys.
(stats: 36, 5-9, 162lbs)
- 04-21-2009, 09:30 PM
Deca should be twice that per week IMO. Probably no HCG during PCT. Use it just during the cycle. Might need to run clomid longer than just 3 weeks. Do not run clomid while running AAS. Begin clomid 2-3 weeks after your last injection.It's hard to concentrate when I can hear your thoughts.
04-21-2009, 09:40 PM
04-21-2009, 09:47 PM
oops sorry forgot your arimidex....run that 1-12 .5mg eod....but id only worry about starting if you get too much bloat or gyno signs....no need to waste if not
04-21-2009, 09:50 PM
04-21-2009, 09:56 PM
04-21-2009, 09:59 PM
04-21-2009, 10:56 PM
Seth, many people advocate using low dose of Nolva during cycle. You suggesting not using anything AI or SERM ? Isn't that taking a big risk given the high conversion to estro from the test, and the prolactin promoted by Deca ?
mooch, what's the protocol for running hcg during the whole cycle ? Wouldn't that promote a lot of bloating due to high estrogen levels is causes ?
04-21-2009, 10:59 PM
sorry Seth, another questions for you.
You promote the use of Clomid during cycle in your articles. Can you elaborate on that ?
04-22-2009, 10:58 AM
op...as far as clomid and nolva they are better at doing different things...seth may disagree here but clomid is much better at jumpstarting lh function and nolva is better at blocking estro from binding at the receptor site....on paper ive seen many studys tell me this is not true...but thats how it pans out in real life....ive always used a low dose of both in PCT....as far as hcg goes...its not imperative...but it would definately help recovery to run 200iu say mon,wed,fri all through the cycle....now as easily explained as possible...hcg will simulate lh function while clomid stimulates it...so yes you need both....
04-22-2009, 05:44 PM
04-22-2009, 06:34 PM
There was an article on Mesomorphosis.com called Anabolic Pharmacology (like your book) which promotes Clomid during a cycle to minimize shutdown. I looked back and the author is actually Bill Roberts...sorry for the mistake here. But it is actually an interesting article. I was interested to see your comments on that.
04-22-2009, 06:41 PM
04-22-2009, 06:59 PM
Also have learned that the use of HCG should not exceed 2 weeks consecutively, in order to avoid LH receptor to loose sensitivity to LH. Isn't that the case ?
04-22-2009, 07:01 PM
04-22-2009, 07:06 PM
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