Methyldienolone

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  1. Yeah with this one caution is adivsed just because of the fact is structurally similar to methyl tren but since the numbers aren't even close to methyl tren it defientyl isn't AS bad. Basically if you do use it, start very small as DS has done and see what happens. I still tihnk this is for someone that has done multiple AAS/PH cycle with fairly strong substances.
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  2. methyltren (methyltrienolone) is extremely toxic and about 30 times stronger then methyl-dien (methyldienolone). that is why methyltren is so liver toxic, jaundice is a given with methyltren which is why it was never brought to production, it is just used for experiments in institutions.. It is so strong it should be dose in 125mcg range.

    Now Methyl-Dien, as far as I know I am the first and only person to have taken it so far. Prolangtum got his sample today so I assume he will be starting it tomorrow. It isnt even in the same realm of toxicity as methyltren. it should be on the same level as M1T, but there is no lethargy, which to me makes this a much better option. Super solider will be getting it in feb, so he will be getting his liver values tested, and we can compare them to his M1T results and we can see how different they truly are.
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  3. If thats the case then hopefully the results are favorable. I think we all need to stop comparing it to methyl tren then even though it structurally similar. Everytime I hear methyl tren, I cringe.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Designer Supps
    methyltren (methyltrienolone) is extremely toxic and about 30 times stronger then methyl-dien (methyldienolone). that is why methyltren is so liver toxic, jaundice is a given with methyltren which is why it was never brought to production, it is just used for experiments in institutions.. It is so strong it should be dose in 125mcg range.

    Now Methyl-Dien, as far as I know I am the first and only person to have taken it so far. Prolangtum got his sample today so I assume he will be starting it tomorrow. It isnt even in the same realm of toxicity as methyltren. it should be on the same level as M1T, but there is no lethargy, which to me makes this a much better option. Super solider will be getting it in feb, so he will be getting his liver values tested, and we can compare them to his M1T results and we can see how different they truly are.
    is there any dht like with tren and m1t ?

  5. It is rather amusing that the thread starter messed up the spelling -- MethylDIEolone -- and Bobo keeps talking about extreme toxicity. Well, I'm amused anyway.
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  6. I support the introduction of the most effective products but the diene should be explored by tests BEFORE RELEASING TO THE PUBLIC.

    As with Bobo, I am reluctant to research with the diene due to the possible liver toxiticity. Until I see the blood test results I will hold this point. It is better to err on the side of caution...

    Chemo

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Onslaught
    It is rather amusing that the thread starter messed up the spelling -- MethylDIEolone -- and Bobo keeps talking about extreme toxicity. Well, I'm amused anyway.
    Why should you be amused about the toxicity issue?


    EDIT: AHHhhh....I got it now. Bobo hopped on the short bus again today
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  8. got mine in a solution this afternoon, took 3mgs even though no workout was planned, and will continue dosing 3mgs for a week and then access dose.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Chemo
    I support the introduction of the most effective products but the diene should be explored by tests BEFORE RELEASING TO THE PUBLIC.

    As with Bobo, I am reluctant to research with the diene due to the possible liver toxiticity. Until I see the blood test results I will hold this point. It is better to err on the side of caution...

    Chemo

    Glad to know that you guys are looking out for the PH/AAS community. This compound sounds intriguing but it'll have to wait for the resluts for me to use it.

    HOPEFULLY we'll have solid/ safe results, a good price and distribution well before any ban shows up.

  10. I dont think it should be compared to methyltren either, although very similar in structure, the strengths between the two are so different it isnt even a close comparison. 30,000 compared to 1100.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by theprolangtum
    got mine in a solution this afternoon, took 3mgs even though no workout was planned, and will continue dosing 3mgs for a week and then access dose.
    You're still using M5AA with M-dien, or just the M-dien now?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by supersoldier
    You're still using M5AA with M-dien, or just the M-dien now?
    m-dien only

  13. Who did you get it from?

  14. Same place you got your M1,4diol.
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  15. Oh that's cool, I didn't know that he had it out yet. That's ok, I would have laid off of that one anyways. But I looking forward to testing some of his other stuff.

  16. Theres a thread on mnm and m-dien seems to work at 4mg for Sledge who is a big guy. A/A ratio's are roughly similar but it looks like m-dien is more potent in human experiments.

  17. Thats cool, I will have to check it out, but like I said I think I will lay off of this compound.

  18. if it works at 4mg concentration, i dont think the liver toxicity issue will be serious. thats a very low dose compared with m1t dose. but i hear its also very androgenic. if its realy comapred to methyle tren then the dose should be lower than 4mg. according to PA m1t is very potent - 9.1 to 16.0 times as anabolic as MT. while methyl tren is very androgenic around 75 times that of MT. so the m-dien dose should be way lower than, maybe measured in mcg. im just curious Designer Supps did you determine the recommended dose of this compound?

  19. Toxicity has nothing to do with amount. Those ratios are only used for dosages. There are some intrinsic properties that are still unkown. Its has been thought that methyl tren might in some way hang around longer causing more stress on the liver. The dienolone could have such effects since its structiurally similar but its all theory and I have zero scientific basis for this. So caution is always advised and the whole story is not determined by dosage alone. Remember, metabolites of methylated susbtances can be toxic as well and we don't even know what they are! Just some thoughts...
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  20. There are lots of compounds that are "structurally similiar", yet have greatly varying properties, effects, etc. Please don't take that as an attack, Bobo, as you are much more knowledgable than I. But, a double bond here or a hydrogen there, can greatly change a compound's properties yet leaving it "similiar" to its original stucture.

    Wasn't the problem with methyl-tren that the liver couldn't easily break it down, even after the methyl-group was removed? No one is really sure why that's the case though. So how do we know that methyl-dien is going to share this property when no one even knows why methyl-tren behaves this way? (Again, not attacking you, just trying to play devil's advocate and get some more discussion going.)

  21. Thats why I said this "The dienolone could have such effects since its structurally similar but its all theory and I have zero scientific basis for this." Dienolone could have that property to where its not broken down easily even after the methyl group was removed. Who knows. When the closest thing structuarlly is the the most potent and toxic hormone you can use, caution should be first and foremost. Saying it won't be that toxic because its only 4mg isn't wise.

    I've spoken to Chemo about it also and he shares the same caution as I do. As he is a chemist, his caution makes me cautious as well.

    I guess I'm just little jumpy on this one as I've known people to take 150mg of Drol for extended peroids of time, 100mg of Dbol, etc....and the only case of jaundice that has been reported to me is from methyl tren wit someone taking small doses (single digit mg's). So that possible intrinsic property of hanging around even after the methyl is removed makes me very cautious.

    Hopefully it won't be that potent because its sounds like a good alternative to M1T, withouth the lethargy. I'm all for that.
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  22. Sledge,
    How do you plan to sell diene to those of use who want to put it away for later (and see if the initial testers drop dead or grow a 2nd dick (my wife's WORST nightmare))? Don't want to buy it already suspended in liquid, and dosing 3-5 mg per day will be difficult without a neutron-accurate scale.

    Do you plan on offering caps?

  23. i think dose will be 1-3mg, i took more because i am much bigger and i always take more to truly test it. There wont be a need to go above 3mg. I havent had any liver problems with, I had my liver values checked and i should have those results soon but it dosnet seem to be any worse then anything else that i have used and i have used everything you can think of except methyl tren. i dont think this compound should be that closely compared to methyltren. other then structure they are totaly different. methyltren had a problem breaking down which is one of the reasons why it was so toxic, methyldien dosent seem to have that problem so far.

    I havent dropped dead yet and i still have just one dick so tell your wife not to worry. I will be doing this in 1mg tabs and i will have it cheaper then anyone else, and hopefully if china isnt to delayed in its shipping i should be the first to have it as planned. I wasnt planning on selling this one in a powder but to dose it you just do 1mg in 1000ml of liqiud (peg400). I sell all of my raws in 1gm amounts so that no one needs a scale to home brew. I take care of everything for everyone. All you have to do is buy the powder and buy the peg if you want to homebrew.
    Shelf-life is around 2 years for most Phs so these should last just fine.

  24. I say everyone needs to quite guesstimating about it and wait for Soldier to come back with blood test in Feb. Methyltren is by far no Joke if you like being vertical and 6 feet above grade, we all know that. This stuff has a similiar structure and Im with chemo and bobo's approach to it. Sledge ran it with success but as noted sledge is experienced and fits into the big and tall member section. Being safe is never a bad practice. A large majority of members to all theses boards are lightweight newbs and want a quick fix to blow them up. It is those clowns that make the rest of us suffer because they abuse the stuff until its to late and then the supp industry becomes bombarded with newer and heavy fire and we end up worse off then before. One person running a beta test is by far no means to declare it safe to the pill popping public.
    Your Liver is a very valuable asset to your life and even though it is one of the quickest recovering organs in the human body certain substances or the abuse there of will cause non-reversable damage and leave you in a horrible state for the rest of your life. Pace yourself kids. Relax and let the numbers speak for themselves.
    If its as good as expected you better believe Ill be jumping on the bandwagon to but just as almost everyone declared M1T a garbage substance prior to its release to the public everything said until proof is presented is theoritical.

    db

  25. Exactly, I have a couple people testing it, I got blood work done and Super will be getting blood work done. Then at least we will have some type of an idea of what i sgoing on with it. Somebody has to make sure that products just dont get dumped out for everyone with out some type of testing. Obviously I cant have every supp user get there blood tested everytime they take a supp, but I can try. Everyone needs to have regular blood work done to make sure things are nice and healthy.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Designer Supps
    Everyone needs to have regular blood work done to make sure things are nice and healthy.
    So true but the way you worded that ending makes me laugh for some reason. "nice and healthy" What can I say, Im easily amused.
    Looking forward to placing a nice big order pretty soon Sldge.

    db

  27. just curious, but how much on average does bloodwork cost?

  28. Quote Originally Posted by 2gcorey
    just curious, but how much on average does bloodwork cost?
    It depends on whats test are ran. But in any event if you have to ask then you probably dont want to know. My insurance wont cover mine unless its with my physical and I dont have but one or two of those a year.

    db

  29. at 3mg dose..........1g of this stuff can last for ever
    Last edited by x_muscle; 01-15-2004 at 01:40 AM.

  30. 1g would last a long time, so would a bottle of 90 tabs as well. Lets say the average cycle length will be 4 weeks and you took 1 mg per day that is a total of 28 tabs. A little a little less then 1/3 of a bottle. So one bottle should get you 3 cycles worth. 1g does a 1000-1mg servings in oral solution. Same deal if the avg cycle were 1mg for 4 weeks gives you a little more then 35- 4 week cycles.
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