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    Kilo Sports Trenadrol vs. Methyl Masterdrol V2


    How would these two be as far as vascularity/cutting/strength/etc.? I am looking for something to stack with my bottle of Epistane and it's down to these two.

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    Whats your stat and cycle history?
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    I'm 22, 5'10 175lbs. and about 12%bf. I did an Hdrol cycle a year ago. That's it
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    Alright. Trenadol>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Methyl Masterdrol V2
    There is no comparison between the two. I'd just get a bottle of trenadrol and run it for 4 weeks at 2 caps/day. :clean:
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    How would this cycle be:

    Epi weeks 1-6: 20/30/30/30/40/40
    Trenadrol weeks 1-6: 2 caps a day

    would that be a pretty harsh cycle?
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    im looking into one of these stacks as well and was looking to stay away from the tren due to the hard shutdown and libido problems. Never run the tren or mmv2 but did epistane for a 6 weeker and was pretty good just looking to step it up this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewolf49 View Post
    How would this cycle be:

    Epi weeks 1-6: 20/30/30/30/40/40
    Trenadrol weeks 1-6: 2 caps a day

    would that be a pretty harsh cycle?
    That would be an awesome cycle btw.

    Heres how I'd do it:

    Epi:40mg all 6 weeks
    Trenadrol:60mg all 6 weeks

    You will need a serm for PCT, something like clomid or nolvadex with PCT assist for Post Cycle should do the job. You will need support supplements to take on cycle, PCS or Cycle Assist and mega dose on fish oil. You will need Joint supplement too since the cycle will dry you out.
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    would i need hawthorne berry for BP? if i take hawthorne, will my BP rise THAT much? also, should I take vitex and b6 to combat any possible prolactin related issues with the tren?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewolf49 View Post
    would i need hawthorne berry for BP? if i take hawthorne, will my BP rise THAT much? also, should I take vitex and b6 to combat any possible prolactin related issues with the tren?
    Cycle assist has hawthorn berry in it. Your BP will raise, so I would get cQ10 as for additional bp control. If you are prone to puffy nips like I am, it would be wise to get P5P, Vitex, and L-Tyrosine to control prolactin. It does get exspensive with the prolactin control, I'd get caber and run it .5mg 2x a week if you have access to it. Its ways cheaper than OTC and last longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big3upgrade View Post
    Alright. Trenadol>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Methyl Masterdrol V2
    There is no comparison between the two. I'd just get a bottle of trenadrol and run it for 4 weeks at 2 caps/day. :clean:
    Really? why do you day that? Just wondering. I think they are quite similar from personal experience both are great at hardening and strength. Also trenadrol at two caps a day that is only 60mg per day a low dose most run it at 90mg at the least. Also i think he is looking more at cutting and trenadrol has been known to put on a good amount of weight which might not be what he is going for
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    Quote Originally Posted by mixedup View Post
    Really? why do you day that? Just wondering. I think they are quite similar from personal experience both are great at hardening and strength. Also trenadrol at two caps a day that is only 60mg per day a low dose most run it at 90mg at the least. Also i think he is looking more at cutting and trenadrol has been known to put on a good amount of weight which might not be what he is going for
    Because I too have tried both. Trenadrol is a whole different beast than mmv2. mmv2 was like skittles for me, gave me some hardening effect and aggression in the gym, but thats pretty much it. I took trenadrol at 60mg a day 2 years ago, it gave me insane strength gains and got me shredded. 60mg is not a low dose, its optimal for ppl under 200lbs. I was 185lbs at the time when I took trenadrol. Even with a ****ty diet (work related) and stressful time (work related also) I was able to gain 5 lbs of pure muscle while leaning out big time. I was only able to hit the gym 3 times a week during that time since I was pulling 65hrs/week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big3upgrade View Post
    Because I too have tried both. Trenadrol is a whole different beast than mmv2. mmv2 was like skittles for me, gave me some hardening effect and aggression in the gym, but thats pretty much it. I took trenadrol at 60mg a day 2 years ago, it gave me insane strength gains and got me shredded. 60mg is not a low dose, its optimal for ppl under 200lbs. I was 185lbs at the time when I took trenadrol. Even with a ****ty diet (work related) and stressful time (work related also) I was able to gain 5 lbs of pure muscle while leaning out big time. I was only able to hit the gym 3 times a week during that time since I was pulling 65hrs/week.
    what did you run the mmv2 at dosage wise? and since the trenadrol was 2 years ago was that your first run at an anbolic that could make a difference also. But everybody is different. The reason i think 60mg is low is also because most companies are dosing their tabs higher now a days ams and aps are at 50mg a tab and gl is 40mg a tab so that would be 80-100mg a day at 2 tabs per day of those brands. Not arguing with you like i said everybody is different but for most people I know MMV2 is a monster Thunder god loved it and 5 tabs a day treated me just like 50mg of winstrol
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    90mg is the optiimal dose for a solo cycle with trenadrol. Its still up in the air what exactly the compound is. Many people r getting the same results with 90mg trenadrol vs 120mg of other tren compounds like xtreme tren etc. I think if staacking, running 60mg =tren with 40mg epi would be the optimal dosing scheme. trenadrol works real well as a recomper. Im on week 6 of a solo cycle, its the final week. I put on approx 6lbs of muscle and lost 2 percent body fat(approx 4lbs)... it was my 2nd cycle(1st epi) 5'9-5'10 about 200lbs.

    I think you would be better off bridging epi to tren like such
    epi- 40/40/40/40/0/0/0
    tren- 0/0 /0/60/60/60/60
    thats just my opinioun tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big3upgrade View Post
    Alright. Trenadol>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Methyl Masterdrol V2
    There is no comparison between the two. I'd just get a bottle of trenadrol and run it for 4 weeks at 2 caps/day. :clean:
    MMv2 seems to be a waste IMO so I agree. Solo logs lack results even at high doseages
    Quote Originally Posted by thewolf49 View Post
    How would this cycle be:

    Epi weeks 1-6: 20/30/30/30/40/40
    Trenadrol weeks 1-6: 2 caps a day

    would that be a pretty harsh cycle?
    I is on epi/treandrol right now day 20 Ive had 1 backbump, BP spiked but 2g of HB is keepin it 118/80
    Quote Originally Posted by Big3upgrade View Post
    That would be an awesome cycle btw.

    Heres how I'd do it:

    Epi:40mg all 6 weeks
    Trenadrol:60mg all 6 weeks

    You will need a serm for PCT, something like clomid or nolvadex with PCT assist for Post Cycle should do the job. You will need support supplements to take on cycle, PCS or Cycle Assist and mega dose on fish oil. You will need Joint supplement too since the cycle will dry you out.
    Exactly my cycle, im taking 10 1000mg fish oil pills/day no join issues what so ever.

    Im not using a serm for my PCT but I got one on hand incase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mixedup View Post
    what did you run the mmv2 at dosage wise? and since the trenadrol was 2 years ago was that your first run at an anbolic that could make a difference also. But everybody is different. The reason i think 60mg is low is also because most companies are dosing their tabs higher now a days ams and aps are at 50mg a tab and gl is 40mg a tab so that would be 80-100mg a day at 2 tabs per day of those brands. Not arguing with you like i said everybody is different but for most people I know MMV2 is a monster Thunder god loved it and 5 tabs a day treated me just like 50mg of winstrol
    I had two bottles and took 6 caps/day for 30 days. Trenadrol at the time was my 3rd run of anabolics, I remeber running it right after PCT of M14ADD. Methyl E and Propadrol was my first cycle and it will always have a special place in my heart. I know I was pretty young at the time to be running anabolics, I guess you live and learn. But anways, the reason you see other tren products dosed so high is because they are not the same compound as trenadrol. Those tren products are Estra/19-Nor tren, Trenadrol is not the same compound as those I can assure to you. I ran Xtreme Tren last year at 90mg/day, sure I gained 15+lbs off it but I also gained quite a bit of fat and water. Gave me the worste case of puffy nips and gyno on my left nip. Strength was no where near Trenadrol and destroyed my libido within the first week. On Trenadrol my libido actually increased at times and normal the rest of the time. I had no prolactin sides, no gyno, it just made me hard as a rock, and the alpha feeling from it was great. I do agree that everyone reacts differently, some compound might work well for others, and might not for the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeekPoop View Post
    MMv2 seems to be a waste IMO so I agree. Solo logs lack results even at high doseages

    I is on epi/treandrol right now day 20 Ive had 1 backbump, BP spiked but 2g of HB is keepin it 118/80

    Exactly my cycle, im taking 10 1000mg fish oil pills/day no join issues what so ever.

    Im not using a serm for my PCT but I got one on hand incase.
    Nice bro...I just stocked up on Trenadrol, I fear that it will be banned pretty soon or that Kilosport will switch to the regular Estra/19-Nor tren with their next batch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big3upgrade View Post
    Nice bro...I just stocked up on Trenadrol, I fear that it will be banned pretty soon or that Kilosport will switch to the regular Estra/19-Nor tren with their next batch.
    Thanks, my stack is awesome +4lbs and Im down atleast 2%BF and 20days in only.

    Yeah I got 2 extra bottles of treandrol stashed up too. Im surprised it hasnt been banned or been turned into a "normal tren"
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeekPoop View Post
    Thanks, my stack is awesome +4lbs and Im down atleast 2%BF and 20days in only.

    Yeah I got 2 extra bottles of treandrol stashed up too. Im surprised it hasnt been banned or been turned into a "normal tren"
    Have you taken Epi or Trenadrol prior to this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big3upgrade View Post
    Have you taken Epi or Trenadrol prior to this?
    yeah ive run epi before, 1st time w/ treandrol
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeekPoop View Post
    yeah ive run epi before, 1st time w/ treandrol
    Sounds good bro. I love Epi. Great for lean gains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big3upgrade View Post
    Sounds good bro. I love Epi. Great for lean gains.
    Hell yeah, versiatle compounds and its noticeable for me ina bout a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big3upgrade View Post
    Nice bro...I just stocked up on Trenadrol, I fear that it will be banned pretty soon or that Kilosport will switch to the regular Estra/19-Nor tren with their next batch.
    what do you mean switch? Has someone actually been able to discover what is in Trenadrol? I know there has been lots of speculation since the compound they originally said it was wasn't
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    Quote Originally Posted by mixedup View Post
    what do you mean switch? Has someone actually been able to discover what is in Trenadrol? I know there has been lots of speculation since the compound they originally said it was wasn't
    Posted by Voodoo on bb.com:

    Wanna know what Trenadrol REALLY is?

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    A guide to the currently available "trens"...

    Warning, science content.

    all tren compounds are nandrolone based.

    19-Norandrosta 4, 9 Diene 3, 17 Dione
    Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
    17b-methoxy-trienbolone
    13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17one

    As you can see there are a million ways to write out the nomenclature. Ill start with Estra 4,9 and 19 nor.

    Nandrolone is also known as 19nor testosterone from the removal of the nor group at the 19th position. Imagine that
    Another way to express that is "Norandrostane" or "estra" So both estra 4,9 and 19 nor andro are the same beginning. Now look at the rest of the chemical nomenclature, theyre the exact same.
    So really, 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene 3, 17 dione and Estra 4,9 diene 17dione are the exact same thing.

    Trenadrol aka 17b methoxy trienbolone is um, different. Effectively take trenbolone (a nandrolone based steroid) and add a methoxy group at the 17 beta position. Thats it. Trenbolone is really tri-en-bolone aka 3 carbon bonds at the 4,9 and 11 position. So 17b methoxy tri-en-bolone makes it a VERY close cousin. So close a cousin that they have almost ALL the same sides.

    Now does everyone understand why I said trenadrol is money?

    13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one isnt really a "tren." Though a progestin, the 2,5 (10) double carbon bonds dont quite match up. Its closer to norbolethone, though not by a whole lot. Norbolethone is the orally active version of nandrolone which is actually a 17 ethyl (not a typo). The 13 ethyl intensifies anabolic effects. I would make the general assumption that its a totally different designer, active on its own. It has no hepatoxcity thanks to the fact its an ethyl. Sorry I cant offer a lot more on ALRI's Max LMG clones.

    If there are other compounds you want worked out, let me knowez!
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    I was just looking at that same post on DA, VooDoo is an old KS rep btw
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    [QUOTE=Big3upgrade;1913816]Posted by Voodoo on bb.com:

    Wanna know what Trenadrol REALLY is?

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    Trenadrol aka 17b methoxy trienbolone is um, different. Effectively take trenbolone (a nandrolone based steroid) and add a methoxy group at the 17 beta position. Thats it. Trenbolone is really tri-en-bolone aka 3 carbon bonds at the 4,9 and 11 position. So 17b methoxy tri-en-bolone makes it a VERY close cousin. So close a cousin that they have almost ALL the same sides.

    um that was posted by a kilosports rep. You do realize that 17b methoxy trienbolone is a MADE UP name it was made by Arthur who never disclosed the chemical makeup and therefore there was no way to source the compound the only other company that had the compound was GL because they bought the raws directly from AR. Another difference is ALRI brought this compound to market at 1.5mg a pill and GL had it at 2mg a pill.

    I think trenadrol is a great compound and really good results but 17b methoxy trienbolone it's not this has been discussed many times over the years you can't clone an unknown chemical with a made up name
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    [QUOTE=mixedup;1913833]
    Quote Originally Posted by Big3upgrade View Post
    Posted by Voodoo on bb.com:

    Wanna know what Trenadrol REALLY is?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Trenadrol aka 17b methoxy trienbolone is um, different. Effectively take trenbolone (a nandrolone based steroid) and add a methoxy group at the 17 beta position. Thats it. Trenbolone is really tri-en-bolone aka 3 carbon bonds at the 4,9 and 11 position. So 17b methoxy tri-en-bolone makes it a VERY close cousin. So close a cousin that they have almost ALL the same sides.

    um that was posted by a kilosports rep. You do realize that 17b methoxy trienbolone is a MADE UP name it was made by Arthur who never disclosed the chemical makeup and therefore there was no way to source the compound the only other company that had the compound was GL because they bought the raws directly from AR. Another difference is ALRI brought this compound to market at 1.5mg a pill and GL had it at 2mg a pill.

    I think trenadrol is a great compound and really good results but 17b methoxy trienbolone it's not this has been discussed many times over the years you can't clone an unknown chemical with a made up name

    First of all, we all know that there is no such thing is "17b-methoxy-trienbolone" obviously is a made up name by Kilosports. We all know this...long time ago. What we did not know is what is exactly in it...and Voo knew the owner of KS and was able to show us what compound is in Trenadrol. Him being a previous rep for KS is the reason why he know what Trenadrol is. Do you actually think he is saying this to try and pimp Trenadrol when he hasnt rep for KS in 2 freaking years, not to mention he is a repping for Iforce now. Oh and about ALRI and GL...old news...no one know whats in it, and I dont expect to know anytime soon.
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    [QUOTE=Big3upgrade;1913854]
    Quote Originally Posted by mixedup View Post


    First of all, we all know that there is no such thing is "17b-methoxy-trienbolone" obviously is a made up name by Kilosports. We all know this...long time ago. What we did not know is what is exactly in it...and Voo knew the owner of KS and was able to show us what compound is in Trenadrol. Him being a previous rep for KS is the reason why he know what Trenadrol is. Do you actually think he is saying this to try and pimp Trenadrol when he hasnt rep for KS in 2 freaking years, not to mention he is a repping for Iforce now. Oh and about ALRI and GL...old news...no one know whats in it, and I dont expect to know anytime soon.
    Ok i'm not trying to argue but the name was made up by Arthur not by Kilosports so that's why i said it's not 17b-methoxy trienbolone. and as I said whatever it is it's very good. So we both have tried it we both liked it I dont' want to take up anymore of the OP's thread debating what it is. I agree with you on the epi trenadrol stack being a good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big3upgrade View Post

    Ok i'm not trying to argue but the name was made up by Arthur not by Kilosports so that's why i said it's not 17b-methoxy trienbolone. and as I said whatever it is it's very good. So we both have tried it we both liked it I dont' want to take up anymore of the OP's thread debating what it is. I agree with you on the epi trenadrol stack being a good one.
    Its all about sharing experiences and knowledge bro.
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    wow, i mean i know i hear trenadrol is the best 'tren' out there hands down, but like, im debating throwing the bottle of xmass i was about to kick off with estane in 2 weeks back into the goodiebag i have, and instead ordering some trenadrol. not that i'm giving into that trienbolone nonsense, but there are plenty enough threads on this board that actually distinguish the two in effects as well as sides. so.... what do you guys think? do i get my feet wet with actual pro-dienelone, or do i go with the much loved and adored pro-dontknow-what-the-sh*t-is-in-it-elone (this is the actual chemical nomenclature for the compound in trenadrol, in case you havnt heard)? im really kinda leaning towards the latter by now.

    also, regarding mmv2... this was the first ph i ever ran, and was very pleased. i bridged into ax 3ad, which is actually very very similar. my take on mmv2... its a great hardening agent, but most of all, its a great preworkout supplement. i used to take 3 or 4 before workouts and got nice pumps, focus, and aggression, as well as actual energy. i found myself to make a great recovery with simple atd/3ohat cocktail in novedex xt, retained my gains etc. i didnt know at the time how versatile, and especially how underdosed the product really is, but i'd like to give it another run in the future stacked with at least one other compound, while utilizing the mv2 as my preworkout agression booster (along with its hardening etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanyK View Post
    wow, i mean i know i hear trenadrol is the best 'tren' out there hands down, but like, im debating throwing the bottle of xmass i was about to kick off with estane in 2 weeks back into the goodiebag i have, and instead ordering some trenadrol. not that i'm giving into that trienbolone nonsense, but there are plenty enough threads on this board that actually distinguish the two in effects as well as sides. so.... what do you guys think? do i get my feet wet with actual pro-dienelone, or do i go with the much loved and adored pro-dontknow-what-the-sh*t-is-in-it-elone (this is the actual chemical nomenclature for the compound in trenadrol, in case you havnt heard)? im really kinda leaning towards the latter by now.

    also, regarding mmv2... this was the first ph i ever ran, and was very pleased. i bridged into ax 3ad, which is actually very very similar. my take on mmv2... its a great hardening agent, but most of all, its a great preworkout supplement. i used to take 3 or 4 before workouts and got nice pumps, focus, and aggression, as well as actual energy. i found myself to make a great recovery with simple atd/3ohat cocktail in novedex xt, retained my gains etc. i didnt know at the time how versatile, and especially how underdosed the product really is, but i'd like to give it another run in the future stacked with at least one other compound, while utilizing the mv2 as my preworkout agression booster (along with its hardening etc)
    I would just run the X-mass bro since you already have it. X-mass stacked with Epi is no joke, expect some good strength and great muscle growth.
    I would also stock up on trenadrol and stash them away for future use.
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