Wow... a lot has changed.
- 04-10-2009, 10:38 PM
Wow... a lot has changed.
I did a good number (probably about 10) cycles back in my early 20's (I am now 32). I was thinking about looking into the whole PH arena for a little boost (I never bothered much before because why do that when you could use the real thing). Anyway, I can see that this has now become a whole new field of pharmacology! I definitely need some guidance and don't have the time to read and lurk like I did when I was younger (busy working, being a parent, and trying to just squeeze time in to workout). I have used winstrol, primobolan, dinabol, sust-500, trenbolone, anavar, and equipoise (all injectible except the dbol and anavar) the with various combinations of clomid, arimidex, and nolvadex for PCT.
I have been running more and lifting less than I used to, but would like to start to bulk (I have also injured my leg and will have to take at least a month off from running). I wanted to begin a moderate bulk cycle with solid gains (not a lot of water weight gain). Can somone PLEASE save me some time so my wife doesn't get mad at me for spending all my time on here and help point me in the right direction of what to use for a good cycle, where to get it, and what PCT to use? Thanks a bunch.
Currently weigh 160lbs at 5"9', BF is at about 6%. Would like to put on a solid 10 lbs.
- 04-10-2009, 10:42 PM
- 04-10-2009, 10:44 PM
Lol @ where to get it.
Do some legal orals. Alot of options there..
2- tren extreme and clones
3 - Mdrol
4 - Pplex
04-10-2009, 10:48 PM
04-10-2009, 11:06 PM
I was a scholarship runner in college (800m) and didn't really start serious lifting until I had a couple of surgeries from running. I went from 150lbs at about 4% BF up to 200 (lots of water weight and still have some stretch marks). I settled to about 175 as my ideal body building weights. I would like to move back in that direction now that I am injured and will not be able to run for a while (I have been running 5 and 10k races lately). I would definitely like to do an oral pro-hormone stack, but am not sure where to get started and how to wade though the marketing hype.
It has been at least 5 years since I used gear and thousands of miles run with little lifting.
04-10-2009, 11:15 PM
04-10-2009, 11:21 PM
Not true at all. I did get sick very easily and ended up seriously injured, but I can assure you that body fat that low does not mean death.
04-10-2009, 11:50 PM
04-11-2009, 12:02 AM
I really can't speak for you, but at my current age, 35, I would not even want to touch another steroid, PERIOD. I'd kill to be able to run 5k's at this point in my life. I am pretty fit when it comes to running sprints(100 meters) but endurance is stale as hell.
Stick to lifting and running for a healthy lifestyle bro, you won't be sorry.
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04-11-2009, 12:11 AM
tests for body fat are normally +/- 3% too..
guy in one of my strength and conditioning classes was at 4.3%
small guy, cardio freak
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04-11-2009, 02:57 AM
I don't know how true it is, but I remember hearing something on ESPN reporting that Jerry Rice's body fat % was in the 2's at one point. I think it's if your body fat falls below 2% you could be putting yourself at risk of some sort of sudden death (not sure of the science behind it though).
04-11-2009, 05:32 PM
I remember reading Terrell Owens was like 1%.
04-11-2009, 05:52 PM
04-11-2009, 08:40 PM
After basic training bf read 2.5%.
04-11-2009, 08:45 PM
04-11-2009, 08:47 PM
epi ,or h drol for just getting back, but id train naturally for 2 months while on a bulk diet then do the designer.
04-12-2009, 04:49 AM
being that you are a runner, and also that you have experience with boldenone (in your case undecylenate), i'd simply expand on the advice given to you above.
1,4ad / boldione (bold 200, or eq-jet > converts to unesterified boldenone. new 120 cap bottle available for 54bux or something; saves you 5 or 6 bux). same effects as boldenone, specifically the one i have in mind for you is the increased aerobic capacity; should do you some good. maybe you cant be doing much running, but you can do other forms of cardio, rowing etc, and this will help you. i noticed i BIG increase in aerobic capacity, kinda like i had 3 lungs. usually not the case while on juice. big appetite increase as well. lean gains. minor, yet favorable conversion to estrogen. Unmethylated yet quite orally active.
4-chloro-17a-methyl-1,4-diene-3,17 diol (hdrol) > converts to oral turinabol the real aas, and although you have no experience with it (nor do i) im just putting it into perspective. but i can tell you that i love halodrol, as many do, as i'm sure you will too. great libido, great pumps, sense of wellbeing, appetite increase etc. lean, maintainable gains.
methyleptiostanol (epistane/havoc/epidrol/epivol/estane/and the like)> epitostanol used to be used in japan as a breast cancer drug im quite sure, as it does demonstrate serm-like/anti estrogenic properties, basically a steroidal anti-e. wellbeing, appetite, lean, dry dry dry gains. too dry for some, but supports can always take care of that, and if combined with the boldione, the estrogen should taje care of your joints to its own extent.
these are three of milder hormones. epi/hdrol are both methylated.
i dont know how long you'd like to be on, so with that in mind, i have from the simplest/shortest to the longest/more complex... so...
dosages are based on your weight, desired weight, and not so much your experience and cycle history with aas, therefore you may feel its necessary to bump up dosages earlier than i may be suggesting...
4-6 weeks of either
a) hdrol 50/75/75/100 or 50/50/75/75/100/100
b) epi/havoc 30/40/40/40 or 20/20/30/30/40/40
c) 6-8 weeks of boldione @600/600/800/800/800/1000/1000/1000
either with 6 wks hdrol @50/50/75/75/100/100
d) or with 4-6 wks epi @20/30/40/40 or 20/20/30/30/40/40
or bridged into one another...
e) week 1 boldione 800mg / hdrol 50mg
week 2 boldione 800mg / hdrol 75mg
week 3 boldione 800mg / hdrol 100mg
week 4 boldione 800mg / hdrol 75mg / epi 20mg
week 5 boldione 800mg / epi 30mg
week 6 boldione 800mg / epi 40mg
week 7 boldione 800mg / epi 40mg
or... what id do if everything was permissible (funds, availability, etc)... although i'd expect at least 20lbs out of this one. i've done something very similar (substitute the epi with furazadrol (unmethylated version of aas furazabol with instead a tetrahydropropanol ether attached instead of the methyl) i gained 25, lost 5 in pct.
f) week 1 boldione 800mg / hdrol 50mg
week 2-3 boldione 800mg / hdrol 75mg
week 4 boldione 800mg / hdrol 100mg / begin 11-oxo bridge 225mg
week 5 boldione 1000mg / 11-oxo 375mg
week 6 boldione 1000mg / 11-oxo 375mg
week 7 boldione 800mg / epi 30mg / 11-oxo 225mg
week 8 boldione 800mg / epi 30mg
week 9 boldione 800mg / epi 40mg
week 10 boldione 800mg / epi 40mg
plenty of options here for you. im sure you can work a lot of your own ideas out based on some of these guidelines, hell maybe even use different compounds. look into trenadrol, furazadrol, and prodienelone ('tren').
04-12-2009, 03:36 PM
04-12-2009, 05:34 PM
If you really want to run 5K then do it....you won't have to kill. There are plenty of 60 yr olds I know running multiple mini marathons a year. You are only 36! Just do it!
04-12-2009, 06:58 PM
04-12-2009, 07:01 PM
04-12-2009, 08:14 PM
04-12-2009, 08:20 PM
lol at ppl who think they are less than 5%, especially when they arnt competing
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04-12-2009, 08:33 PM
OP, what are your best times out of curiosity? I ran D3 but was too big to be any good.
at your weight/experience i would reco getting on a bulk plan...maybe same cals but more protein than you are used to since you arent running. should be able to get a solid 5 pounds in 2 months of bulking naturally, then do a month of havoc/epi, hdrol, and maybe stack bold. that ought to be able to give you another 5-10lb. use cycle support and toremifene for PCT.
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