Ridding of Pubertal Gyno
- 04-10-2009, 02:36 PM
Ridding of Pubertal Gyno
Is there anyway to reduce or rid of pubertal gyno other than surgery such as letro,clomid or any other serms or methods? I have the hardened lumps along with soft tissue around them for about 6 years or so now and am going to a surgery consult in the next week. I just wanted to see if anybody here has any cases of pubertal gyno specifically being treated without surgery. Thank you.
- 04-10-2009, 02:43 PM
- 04-10-2009, 03:13 PM
ehh....the only reason gyno from puberty may be hard to get rid of is because it has calcified....but its not for sure....run letrozole
04-10-2009, 04:00 PM
yah i was curious too. hey mooch so some1 can just run some letro? how much a day and for how long?
04-10-2009, 04:07 PM
id taper up from .5 mgs to 1.5....then taper back down...you should be able to run for 4-6 weeks but it will dry you out like a mother...your not gonna like it....
04-10-2009, 04:16 PM
oh its not for me, its buddy and personal knowledge. so like .5 - 1 - 1.5 - 1.5 - 1 - .5 ?
04-10-2009, 04:18 PM
that would be fine if thats in weeks....
04-10-2009, 04:26 PM
great! thanx well this guy had it for 8yrs already u sure that dosage would be strong enough?
04-10-2009, 04:31 PM
04-10-2009, 04:48 PM
Ask and ye shall recieve.
Tamox is cheap, and has been proven effective for both AAS and pubertal gyno.
Beneficial effects of raloxifene and tamoxifen in the treatment of pubertal gynecomastia.
Lawrence SE, Faught KA, Vethamuthu J, Lawson ML.
Department of Pediatrics, University of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.
OBJECTIVES: To assess the efficacy of the anti-estrogens tamoxifen and raloxifene in the medical management of persistent pubertal gynecomastia.
STUDY DESIGN: Retrospective chart review of 38 consecutive patients with persistent pubertal gynecomastia who presented to a pediatric endocrinology clinic. Patients received reassurance alone or a 3- to 9-month course of an estrogen receptor modifier (tamoxifen or raloxifene).
RESULTS: Mean (SD) age of treated subjects was 14.6 (1.5) years with gynecomastia duration of 28.3 (16.4) months. Mean reduction in breast nodule diameter was 2.1 cm (95% CI 1.7, 2.7, P <.0001) after treatment with tamoxifen and 2.5 cm (95% CI 1.7, 3.3, P <.0001) with raloxifene. Some improvement was seen in 86% of patients receiving tamoxifen and in 91% receiving raloxifene, but a greater proportion had a significant decrease (>50%) with raloxifene (86%) than tamoxifen (41%). No side effects were seen in any patients.
CONCLUSION: Inhibition of estrogen receptor action in the breast appears to be safe and effective in reducing persistent pubertal gynecomastia, with a better response to raloxifene than to tamoxifen. Further study is required to determine that this is truly a treatment effect.
PMID: 15238910 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
04-10-2009, 05:01 PM
letro is cheap too....would you rather stop estro from binding or get rid of it all together????
04-10-2009, 05:35 PM
Letro is more useful for a person who doesnt really have gyno, but the begining symptoms of it. If you want to reduce estrogenic side effects letro/arimidex will work wonders. If you have full on gynecomastia, then you'll need much more than an anti-estrogen.
04-10-2009, 06:17 PM
04-10-2009, 06:18 PM
Mooch what do you mean letro will dry you out? Like my joints or water retention?
04-10-2009, 06:20 PM
04-10-2009, 06:27 PM
04-10-2009, 06:39 PM
ive never used ralox....i dunno...i only brought that up because it made my point....
04-10-2009, 07:11 PM
hey, just wanna post my experience on this so far. Doing a 10 week + of Raloxifene to see how it goes. I'm doing this like this
60mg ralox ED + 50mg ATD ED week1
60mg ralox ED + 25mg ATD ED week2 to 4
60mg ralox ED + 25mg ATD EOD week 5
60mg ralox ED week 6 and beyond
Im currently at week 6 and little progress is noted, lumps did break down some and gotten smaller but still in place (less hard). Studies shows good improvement over a long period of time so I believe since I had it for a while like your friend its probably gonna take a while but I'm hanging on. I'm thinking about adding some Epistane in the mix for 4 weeks at 20mg to see if it could help the progress but am kinda worried about potential problems... Anyways hope this somewhat gives you an idea what to expect, I know there's some success stories around and that's why I tried it myself. Peace.
04-10-2009, 11:54 PM
04-10-2009, 11:55 PM
04-11-2009, 08:54 AM
04-11-2009, 09:35 AM
04-11-2009, 09:44 AM
hey Irish care to tell us what your epidrol cycle looked like? 20mg or 10mg for the cycle length? Might go with it and add it to ralox cycle.
04-11-2009, 09:59 AM
If you are going to try letro, I'd recommend that you supplement with fish oil and Cissus to help avoid joint pain as the letro will basically eliminate all estrogen from your system. Plus, I'd cut way back on the weight training so as to keep the stress on your joints to a minimum. If your goal is to reduce (ideally eliminate) gyno w/o surgery then you won't want to focus on gaining muscle during this time.
Just keep your workouts at a level necessary for maintenance, whatever that may be for you.
04-11-2009, 12:33 PM
04-11-2009, 08:35 PM
04-12-2009, 12:24 PM
04-12-2009, 12:27 PM
04-12-2009, 12:48 PM
I think if it works, it's going to work regardless, and you may need to bump the dosage up to see it. I really don't think 10mg (20mg as opposed to 30mg) would be the determining factor in destroying gyno or creating it.
I had some ATD rebound issues recently, and had a gyno flare up on my right side. I tried using Havoc at the same dosing (20/30/30) and noticed the lump reduce in size a little in the third week, but then it stayed stagnant, and may have even returned a little...I switched over to Epidrol this morning at 40mg. If I notice a reduction, I'll keep it there, if I notice an increae in gyno, I'll drop it to 30mg...It worked once, so I hope it works twice.
04-12-2009, 12:53 PM
Therefore raloxifene is approximately 15% better.Mean reduction in breast nodule diameter was 2.1 cm (95% CI 1.7, 2.7, P <.0001) after treatment with tamoxifen and 2.5 cm (95% CI 1.7, 3.3, P <.0001) with raloxifene
Here is where you got your 45% greater incidence of 'significant reduction'. Meaning, in this study Ralox was shown to be 1.5:1 in rate of return, not efficacy.a greater proportion had a significant decrease (>50%) with raloxifene (86%) than tamoxifen (41%).
Being snide and rhetorical doesnt work with me, asshole is my middle name.
04-12-2009, 01:09 PM
if you read to the bottom of this study you will see that the ai's were introduced medically to combat estro effects in breast cancer patients when tamoxifen was ineffective....this study is about anastrozole i know...but letro is a stronger ai...so therefore...logically(sorry... couldnt help it) it will be more effective....
04-12-2009, 01:09 PM
irish let me know if epidrol was better than havoc 4 ya
04-12-2009, 01:21 PM
again....i said this earlier....why not just cover all the bases and use a serm and an ai....
04-12-2009, 09:09 PM
i ran letro up to 1.5 and maybe had a slight reduction, but it seemed to come back-and tapered toremifene up/down as i tapered off the letro. any way to un-calcify the tissue if its been there for 5+ years? massage?
04-21-2009, 02:27 PM
Well im bumping this thread since I went to my surgery consult this morning. Honestly was just a big waste of time. i went through bloodwork, three referrals and two reschedules. 8 months later I go in for them to tell me they dont have the equipment for the procedure and would be wait listed for a year or more.
On a brighter note my main care doctor was very willing to explore other avenues of ridding of the gyno such as the letrozol or tamoxifene and so on. I am beginning my research of these drugs and will bring him as many legitimate articles as i can on the subject.
With that said does anybody have any decent articles/studies done on ridding of gyno (preferably pubertal) through any means other than surgery? Thanks guys.
04-21-2009, 02:34 PM
google....theres a million of them out there....check out pubmed too...
04-21-2009, 03:08 PM
04-22-2009, 06:19 PM
Just tried ralox ED at 60mg with 20mg Epistane for a week and a half and stopped because gyno got worst. Going PCT with some formestane and 120mg ralox hopefully it will go away. I think it could have worked if I had a topical AI because lump got much tender as it was breaking down but probably due to increase in receptor gyno developed around the lump some. So my input is Epi + ralox could work in theory because both of them block receptors in breast area but the increase in estrogen counter its effect. A topical AI could be the answer because you can tell estrogen builds up in the breast area as water retention is increase. Hope this can enlighten you on your futur choice. Peace.
04-22-2009, 06:30 PM
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