My most ambitious cycle yet

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  1. From what I understood 1,4 activates appetite. As mor M1,4ADD it is only for bulking. It converts to the same compound as Dbol.

    You could use the regular for bulking, but I don't know anyone that has. But I am sure that people have done it.


  2. You know I never liked the term bulk. Sounds like I'm trying to get fat. Heh heh, I always say hulk. Like, "I'm going through my HULKing up phase" or, "I'm gonna HULK up on this cycle." It just sounds more promising.



    Hey Sifu, how's that M1,4AD working for you? ...Hmmm, I just read the thread and it sounds great. None for me thought, not on for a cycle like this. Have you taken 1,4AD before? How would you compare it to M1,4AD?



    I don't think that adding a trans 4-AD would help with Pro-Sust on 2x week. I think you'd run into the opposite problem with the levels now spiking instead of dropping.
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  3. They aren't even close in the nature of effects for me. Night and ay. Kindo of like the saying "apples and oranges"

  4. Quote Originally Posted by witchdawg7
    Todd,
    What about using 4AD Trans on the non injection days to help maintain the levels in your system?
    Jeremy
    Quote Originally Posted by phatbody
    I don't think that adding a trans 4-AD would help with Pro-Sust on 2x week. I think you'd run into the opposite problem with the levels now spiking instead of dropping.
    My initial thought was to not respond because I thought that Phatbody was right about adding 4-AD transdermal on non-injection days would cause more spiking. However, I decided to plug it into the blood level calculator assuming somebody was applying 250 ml per day of 4-AD in a transdermal with a 35% absorption rate. After going through a couple of iterations I could not figure out a scheme that leveled out the blood levels. Attached is an example of one of the iterations showing the added spiking by applying the 4-AD transdermal 2 days and 2.5 days after Pro-Sust injection to make up for the Prop.

    ~Todd

  5. Yikes! I hope you meant 250mg because I don't think I have enough skin to cover 250ml!! Nah I know you meant mg, but I guess the only way you could really smooth out those spikes would be to do something like a 100mg of 4AD orally on days when the prop starts to drop. Isn't the absorption rate something like 15%? That would mean about 15mg is used and since the deviation is only 26mg, it could fill in those spikes.

    Personally I'm going to stick with the above cycle. I don't see any problem with the 26mg drop during the week. I figure that my levels are going to be so high that I won't really notice the slight drop. Time will tell of course. My start date is February 2nd and I'll keep a cycle log on the cycle section for those that are interested.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by phatbody
    Yikes! I hope you meant 250mg because I don't think I have enough skin to cover 250ml!! Nah I know you meant mg, but I guess the only way you could really smooth out those spikes would be to do something like a 100mg of 4AD orally on days when the prop starts to drop. Isn't the absorption rate something like 15%? That would mean about 15mg is used and since the deviation is only 26mg, it could fill in those spikes.
    LOL, definitely meant 250 mg. I built the dosing schedule assuming somebody would do the build your own transdermal from PN, and would put 7.5g in there and do 1 squirt.

    Oral absorption is like 5% or 6% with the conversion to target hormone being 15% to 16%. The conversion to target hormone will be the same whether you 're taking pills, doing transdermal, or injecting.

    Quote Originally Posted by phatbody
    Personally I'm going to stick with the above cycle. I don't see any problem with the 26mg drop during the week. I figure that my levels are going to be so high that I won't really notice the slight drop. Time will tell of course. My start date is February 2nd and I'll keep a cycle log on the cycle section for those that are interested.
    We're thinking along the same lines. Basically, I put the chart together for two reasons:
    • Mental masturbation (ie wanted to make sure my instincts were right)
    • to further emphasize that if the fluctuation in levels from the 2x week injections were having an adverse affect then more frequent injections were the solution as opposed to applying a transdermal.


    Good luck with your cycle.

    ~Todd
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