Chem Structures of D-Bol, M1-4AD, 1-4AD, M1-5

[Mr.50]

Guys on the topis of the new M15 hormone being produced and hopefully released soon I was wondering if anyone out there could post pictures of the following structures:

D-BOL




M1-4 AD





1-4AD (I assume its the same as the above without the Methyl at 17)





M1-5 (the new compound)






I know D-Bol and M15 are only supposed to be different by the double bond at the 5 instead of the 4 and I realize that M1-4AD and 1-4AD are only different by the methyl group, but I guess what I am trying to figure out is how is the new compound (and D-Bol) different from M1-4AD and 1-4AD?

Thanks.

Mr.50

 

[mooch2321]

pm unrealmachine he has a chem program that does this.....

 

[Mr.50]

pm unrealmachine he has a chem program that does this.....

Excellent!

 

[sethroberts]

Here are the structures. Top left=Dbol, Top right = methyl 1,5 diol, Lower left= methyl 1,4 diol, Lower right = 1,4 diol

 

[Mr.50]

Here are the structures

Thanks Seth. So from Left to right we have M1-4AD, M15, D-Bol and 1-4AD? Correct?

Mr.50

 

[sethroberts]

Thanks Seth. So from Left to right we have M1-4AD, M15, D-Bol and 1-4AD? Correct?

Mr.50

I edited my post -- does it make sense?

 

[Mr.50]

I edited my post -- does it make sense?

It does make more sense right now but on my browser it is spread out in a line rather then 2 on top and 2 on bottom.....but I get it. So in fact there is two things different between D-Bol and the M15.....the position of the double bond and the fact that D-Bol is a ketone and the M15 is an alcohol?

So the M15 is really more like the M1-4AD then D-Bol?

 

[sethroberts]

It does make more sense right now but on my browser it is spread out in a line rather then 2 on top and 2 on bottom.....but I get it. So in fact there is two things different between D-Bol and the M15.....the position of the double bond and the fact that D-Bol is a ketone and the M15 is an alcohol?

So the M15 is really more like the M1-4AD then D-Bol?

more or less

 

[Mr.50]

more or less

Is there anything intrinsic about the features of an alcohol and a ketone at the 3 that can be interpreted.......? How about the change in the posision of the double bond?

 

[sethroberts]

Is there anything intrinsic about the features of an alcohol and a ketone at the 3 that can be interpreted.......? How about the change in the posision of the double bond?

The only things that can be said are that 5-enes are supposed to have intrinsic estrogenicity and that the methyl 1,5 diol probably converts to dbol to a higher degree than methyl 1,4 diol.

 

[Mr.50]

The only things that can be said are that 5-enes are supposed to have intrinsic estrogenicity and that the methyl 1,5 diol probably converts to dbol to a higher degree than methyl 1,4 diol.

Hmmmm so intrinsic estrogenic activity = BAD converting to DBOL = Probably good (except for the DBOL side effects, and further estrogenic conversion).

Mr.50

 

[Mr.50]

Well just as an update guys it looks like this is a moot point becuase it is never going to come to market. Sounds like the second set of tests reported a possible contamination with D-Bol as PA predicted. Not good. Another designer out the window!

 

[krogtaar]

primordial performance used to have a great hormone tree diagram that showed structures and the enzymes that convert them...useful for comparing thse DS variations. dont see it now though

 

[indianballer]

Wow, seeing the structure laid it out it makes perfect sense and seems obvious that the hydrogen would want to form a bond. Didn't know how to apply nomenclature. Haven't had a full course in organic yet. Looking forward to part of school next year for a change. Creating a supplement that defies what chemistry dictates should happen. Beyond damn interesting. I want to talk to the creator/discoverer please.

 

[UnrealMachine]

i got the PM a little late. I have used chemdraw to generate those structures, it's a free download if you know how to look.

 

[Mr.50]

i got the PM a little late. I have used chemdraw to generate those structures, it's a free download if you know how to look.

Thanks for the time and the heads up bro. Its too bad now that it sounds like we will never see the M15 anyway...

Mr.50

 

[mooch2321]

Thanks for the time and the heads up bro. Its too bad now that it sounds like we will never see the M15 anyway...

Mr.50

why wont we see the M15?

edit: doh....never mind