Epsitane Cycle - I am Shutdown!

[tranceaddict]

i am on week 3 of a 20/30/30/40 cycle..

i start the last week doing 40g next week..

I am noticing shut down - atrophy (shrinkage of the boys), no erections at all..
(i am guessing this is normal on PH cycles... going by research it is)

as far as PCT is concerned, i am going to run an OTC product (iforce reversitol)

I was told that I should add the likes of Activate Xtreme (test booster) week 3 of PCT...


help would be appreciated

 

[ATQ]

I am no expert, but......
I am currently on an epi cycle (first one) and I have noticed minimal shut down. Are you taking any support with your cycle? I am taking Cycle Insurance and ZMA, perhaps that is the difference?
Also, I would get some advice on your PCT.

 

[Random181]

Nothing to do with ZMA or the like, this is simply te difference between how different people respond, to the OP if you are having no erections then you are going to need more than rev and activate to bring you back, I recommend you pick up clomid for PCT, and nolva incase of gyno

 

[ZoomZoom88]

clomid

 

[Delta Force]

Sorry to hear that bro, whats your stats? age and weight

I just finish a 4 week epi cycle and did not get any sides at all, I ran it at 20/30/40/40 and although it did not kick in till the 3rd week I still like it!

 

[tranceaddict]

well there is no way in hell i can get access to clomid or nolva...

i have maybe 1 slight erection in the last 24 hours... i am starting to get very lethargic too, 4th week in

what would happen if i just let nature take it's path - surly i wouldn't be shut down for ever?

 

[tranceaddict]

I am no expert, but......
I am currently on an epi cycle (first one) and I have noticed minimal shut down. Are you taking any support with your cycle? I am taking Cycle Insurance and ZMA, perhaps that is the difference?
Also, I would get some advice on your PCT.

only cycle support is 'perfect cycle' by AX

 

[krogtaar]

well there is no way in hell i can get access to clomid or nolva...

i have maybe 1 slight erection in the last 24 hours... i am starting to get very lethargic too, 4th week in

what would happen if i just let nature take it's path - surly i wouldn't be shut down for ever?

yes you can...google.

you could have noticably lower test for a week to months. if you are noticing shut down on cycle there is a good chance of losing all your gains before you recover naturally. resveritrol/activate could take weeks to get you back

 

[freqfly]

yes you can...google.
k

x2.. just search man. You can find nolva.

 

[tranceaddict]

yes you can...google.

you could have noticably lower test for a week to months. if you are noticing shut down on cycle there is a good chance of losing all your gains before you recover naturally. resveritrol/activate could take weeks to get you back

so in other words, i could loose the X amount of weight i gained?!

howcome i have read people have been alright on reversitol as a PCT

and I cannot be entirely sure i am shut down either?! just because i am not getting boners?

 

[indianballer]

This happened to me after my first cycle and has been a noticeable side on most cycles since. I guess some people just get shut down easier. It's weird I felt like I had an abnormaly high sex drive before, boners in school constantly all through school lol, and it's never gotten back up there since. ****'s not fun to deal with or easy to correct (viagra always works though, don't listen to what they say about if your shut down it won't help you...it will, but it's not fun to be dependent on it. If the possibility of that bothers you, then I would stop the cycle now and start a good PCT. The longer you stay shut-down the worse your odds might be, but I only have experience and broscience to back that up. But like I said I know PLENTY of people who take PH's on a regular basis and have NEVER experienced that. I take their word for it, cuz why would they lie, so I guess me and you are part of an extremely unlucky select few. On the other hand, if you have no sex drive and you take some viagra, you're a stud and you can go as long as you want really...it's fun.

 

[tranceaddict]

This happened to me after my first cycle and has been a noticeable side on most cycles since. I guess some people just get shut down easier. It's weird I felt like I had an abnormaly high sex drive before, boners in school constantly all through school lol, and it's never gotten back up there since. ****'s not fun to deal with or easy to correct (viagra always works though, don't listen to what they say about if your shut down it won't help you...it will, but it's not fun to be dependent on it. If the possibility of that bothers you, then I would stop the cycle now and start a good PCT. The longer you stay shut-down the worse your odds might be, but I only have experience and broscience to back that up. But like I said I know PLENTY of people who take PH's on a regular basis and have NEVER experienced that. I take their word for it, cuz why would they lie, so I guess me and you are part of an extremely unlucky select few. On the other hand, if you have no sex drive and you take some viagra, you're a stud and you can go as long as you want really...it's fun.

i have no intentions of taking viagra

i hope things will return to normal once i start PCT

 

[buster0371]

you will lose ALL gains and some, possably do more damage than good. So dont let nature take its course in PCT.

75% of hormone replacement thereapy patients are former steroid abusers!!!! dont be one of these ball less boys!!!!!

 

[tranceaddict]

you will lose ALL gains and some, possably do more damage than good. So dont let nature take its course in PCT.

75% of hormone replacement thereapy patients are former steroid abusers!!!! dont be one of these ball less boys!!!!!

so my only way out is with Nolva or clomid?!

 

[tranceaddict]

for iForce Reversitol PCT

should i add activate xtreme from the first week

or run AX at week 3?

 

[rabican]

I'd look into sustain and clomid.

 

[AE14]

From personal experience, I struggled with a similar issue from an MDrol cycle, however I did throw in a natty test booster with my otc pct by AX. I would take a look at DTHC witha PCT assist.

Personally not a big believer in the benefits of a serm

 

[MrBigPR]

Go with IBE Formex and I3C

Or straight Post Cycle Support with the Formex.

 

[futurepilot]

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/118472-indole-3-carbinol.html

 

[buster0371]

so my only way out is with Nolva or clomid?!

not your ONLY way. OTC will work. Just make sure you got good products and that you're covered on all sides!

 

[tranceaddict]

not your ONLY way. OTC will work. Just make sure you got good products and that you're covered on all sides!

all i got on hand is:

reversitol

activate xtreme

designer supps - rebound reloaded

alpha drive xl

 

[Irish Cannon]

I thought Reversitol was supposed to be real good for PCT, and have heard numerous people running this as their only PCT product after SD...I don't think this is anything to worry about. A SERM would be good, but I doubt it's 100% necessary.

Alpha Drive XL is suppressive. Stay away from that stuff. Run the Reversitol/AX when you're done with the cycle.

 

[projecthatch9]

if you're going to do another cycle later on that's more harsh than epi i would have your pct planned out before hand, with a serm included in there.

and if you're getting lethargy, try upping your carb intake. it should help

 

[tranceaddict]

I was told to start Activate Xtreme in the 3rd week as i wont have any test in the first week of PCT

 

[Gym4Life]

what about 2nd gear from an

 

[dra05ke]

PCT= DIESEL TEST HARDCORE + TOREMIFIENE .....BAM, done!



...add some fenugreek in PCT to get your boys plump and swingin low, if you wish.

 

[dra05ke]

I was told to start Activate Xtreme in the 3rd week as i wont have any test in the first week of PCT

i dont know who told you that, but in the 3rd week, the epistane is still suppressive and any test booster would be redundant to take and have no effect whatsoever.

 

[medicone]

I researched some stuff for you and I found that at a minimum you need to pick up some HCG for pct. clomid is great but more expensive and a pain to take, but worth it in the end since we are talking about our balls hear. (no pun intended). anyway 10 days of a total of 10,000iu's should kick start your balls and stick with the otc as well. everyone here has great ideas, just pick the one you find to your liking. but i agree with a lot of my more experienced gainers here, otc only will probably not cut a total shutdown of test production. you need pharmaceutical intervention. HCG is the lower cost way to go and easiest to follow. comid, like i said is a dosing pain. if anyone disagrees feel free to say so. i dont want to live a pipe dream when i do my pct.

 

[Irish Cannon]

I researched some stuff for you and I found that at a minimum you need to pick up some HCG for pct. clomid is great but more expensive and a pain to take, but worth it in the end since we are talking about our balls hear. (no pun intended). anyway 10 days of a total of 10,000iu's should kick start your balls and stick with the otc as well. everyone here has great ideas, just pick the one you find to your liking. but i agree with a lot of my more experienced gainers here, otc only will probably not cut a total shutdown of test production. you need pharmaceutical intervention. HCG is the lower cost way to go and easiest to follow. comid, like i said is a dosing pain. if anyone disagrees feel free to say so. i dont want to live a pipe dream when i do my pct.

He does NOT need HCG, and if you did your reading on it, you'd realize that HCG is horrible to use during PCT. HCG is suppressive in its own right, and is meant to be used on long cycles such as a 20+ week cycle of Test Enanthate. It's used to increase LH production and is dropped before PCT starts.

Now, a good OTC product to use on cycle in place of HCG is Sustain Alpha, which mimics the same action (increasing LH).

Shutdown is inevitable for most people. I don't know why in the heck everyone is freaking out about this. It's very normal.

 

[buster0371]

throw in some DTH for sure!!!!!

 

[wood23]

I thought Reversitol was supposed to be real good for PCT, and have heard numerous people running this as their only PCT product after SD...I don't think this is anything to worry about. A SERM would be good, but I doubt it's 100% necessary.

Alpha Drive XL is suppressive. Stay away from that stuff. Run the Reversitol/AX when you're done with the cycle.

What is in alpha drive xl that is suppressive? Is there something in it not listed? Thanks

 

[ChrisDono]

I showed very little shut down at 30/30/30/40, I think my balls did decreased the size of my balls but they came back to normal after PCT, I was little worried.

 

[Irish Cannon]

I showed very little shut down at 30/30/30/40, I think my balls did decreased the size of my balls but they came back to normal after PCT, I was little worried.

Did you notice much of a difference between 30mg and 40mg? I'm trying to decide if I should bump my Havoc dose up to 40mg the last two weeks.