Oral Steroids or Alchohol?

  1. Oral Steroids or Alchohol?


    So eveyrone always says that Oral steroids are harsh on your liver. What I want to know is just how harsh are they compared to say drinking alchohol?

    I typically drink while off cycle or PCT. I drink once a week and have about 10 Pints of lager or a bottle of vodka so my liver takes a hit quite a bit anyhow.

    Should I be worried about Oral steroids if I am not worried about the effect that alchohol is having on me?

    Does anyone have any decent articles compareing the effects from both?

    Thanks


  2. well first off saying that on a forum like this youre just going to get flamed by everyone saying "if youre deticated to bodybuilding you won't drink"

    however, i think i asked that question about 5yrs ago in my heavy partying days lol. the answer i believe someone gave me was that an average dose of d-bol was equal to about 4 beers a day. which is basically nothing

    the bottom line is that people really freak out about cycle support supps on here... and im sure alot of it is overdone. thats if u want an answer from a realist and not a diehard healthfreak

  3. just dont binge drink and DO NOT drink on cycle. i still would keep drinking to a minimum if at all.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by orangutan View Post
    well first off saying that on a forum like this youre just going to get flamed by everyone saying "if youre deticated to bodybuilding you won't drink"

    however, i think i asked that question about 5yrs ago in my heavy partying days lol. the answer i believe someone gave me was that an average dose of d-bol was equal to about 4 beers a day. which is basically nothing

    the bottom line is that people really freak out about cycle support supps on here... and im sure alot of it is overdone. thats if u want an answer from a realist and not a diehard healthfreak
    Thanks thats exactly what I was after.

    I would NEVER drink on cycle as thats just a waste. But I do enjoy drinking when off cycle. You have to enjoy the body you are building!

  5. you also shouldnt drink while during your pct...body is recovering during that period and alcohol hinders recovery

  6. Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    you also shouldnt drink while during your pct...body is recovering during that period and alcohol hinders recovery
    Yep I am clean through PCT as well.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by mikeyb123 View Post
    Yep I am clean through PCT as well.
    good choice

  8. Steroids do not affect the liver the same way that Alcohol does. Alcohol affects the liver by accumulating fat within hepatocytes, which is the type of cells that make up one's liver. This build up of fat cells is what makes the Liver stop working.

    Steroids damage the liver by making it work overtime to filter out substances that it is not used to filter. This is what causes the huge spike in Liver enzymes. You can tell how hard the Liver is working by the level of it's enzymes. If you take an unwise dosage of steroids for a certain amount of time, your liver will shut down and then you will need a transplant. you're up ****'s creek.

    As long as YOU'RE WISE and pre-cautions are taken while taking a PH or Steroid you liver enzymes will return to normal after PCT.

    But to compare alcohol harshness to Steroid harshness is comparing apples and oranges.

  9. If your trying to be a pro bb then don't drink often, if u just work out and juice too look good and its a hobby of yours then go ahead drink.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Stangtuner View Post
    Steroids do not affect the liver the same way that Alcohol does. Alcohol affects the liver by accumulating fat within hepatocytes, which is the type of cells that make up one's liver. This build up of fat cells is what makes the Liver stop working.

    Steroids damage the liver by making it work overtime to filter out substances that it is not used to filter. This is what causes the huge spike in Liver enzymes. You can tell how hard the Liver is working by the level of it's enzymes. If you take an unwise dosage of steroids for a certain amount of time, your liver will shut down and then you will need a transplant. you're up ****'s creek.

    As long as YOU'RE WISE and pre-cautions are taken while taking a PH or Steroid you liver enzymes will return to normal after PCT.

    But to compare alcohol harshness to Steroid harshness is comparing apples and oranges.
    i'm fairly certain this is not accurate info. when friend whos an alcoholic went to the doctor the doctor explained to him what u explained in the second paragraph. perfectly....just replace steroids with alcohol

  11. Quote Originally Posted by orangutan View Post
    i'm fairly certain this is not accurate info. when friend whos an alcoholic went to the doctor the doctor explained to him what u explained in the second paragraph. perfectly....just replace steroids with alcohol
    Yes surely alchohol would also put a strain on your liver as you are basically poisoning your body for 12-16 hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orangutan View Post
    however, i think i asked that question about 5yrs ago in my heavy partying days lol. the answer i believe someone gave me was that an average dose of d-bol was equal to about 4 beers a day. which is basically nothing
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  13. I agree with Joeymutz, if you arent trying to compete then have a couple drinks. Nothing crazy like an entire bottle of vodka, but a 2 or 3 beers once a week isnt gonna kill you!

  14. why drink.
    either ur a party animla or bodybuilder, u cant be both, and if ur not bodybuilder in my opinion u shouldnt use roids. too much damage to body. but thats my opinion as far as drinkin i belive it is worse?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by jay21 View Post
    why drink.
    either ur a party animla or bodybuilder, u cant be both, and if ur not bodybuilder in my opinion u shouldnt use roids. too much damage to body. but thats my opinion as far as drinkin i belive it is worse?
    so baseball, track atheletes, wrestlers, MMA fighters, football players all shouldn't use steroids? Steroids are used for many reasons; faster recovery, strength, size, etc. to say only bodybuilders should use them is ignorant.

  16. seriously, we're talking about a couple of drinks here.. everyone knows or should know to stay away if your using orals. but theres nothing wrong with having fun when your not on. arnold use to party like a mofo off season and he owned bb. people totally blow drinking way out porportion

  17. Comparing apples to oranges, really. It's impossible to determine exactly. Different steroids have better or worse effects. Everyone responds to alcohol toxicity differently. But if I had to put some type of EXTREME general comparison to it, I would say that a LOW dose of dbol every day is equivalent to 4-6 beers a day. But when it comes to things like 30mg of M-drol, I would compare it to a 750 of everclear
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by nsmoney1 View Post
    seriously, we're talking about a couple of drinks here.. everyone knows or should know to stay away if your using orals. but theres nothing wrong with having fun when your not on. arnold use to party like a mofo off season and he owned bb. people totally blow drinking way out porportion
    well thats true... i know guys who party like rockstars, are straight drug addicts... i mean painkillers everyday in their protein shakes (no joke).... they also take crystal meth to cut up.... tan every single day of their life.... and look better than anyone i know. but thier insides might be a different story. i mean u can push it however far u want really

  19. Quote Originally Posted by nsmoney1 View Post
    seriously, we're talking about a couple of drinks here.. everyone knows or should know to stay away if your using orals. but theres nothing wrong with having fun when your not on. arnold use to party like a mofo off season and he owned bb. people totally blow drinking way out porportion
    arnold was a freak of nature

  20. Yah and used dbol from age 15. greg valentino mentioned it in one of his articles. and if u read arnold biography he wrote few yrs back he mentions he trained with big men and his good friend in austira and training partner was a doctor.


  21. and my coworkers told me he saw a video were he admitted takin it from a veryy young age


  22. Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Comparing apples to oranges, really. It's impossible to determine exactly. Different steroids have better or worse effects. Everyone responds to alcohol toxicity differently. But if I had to put some type of EXTREME general comparison to it, I would say that a LOW dose of dbol every day is equivalent to 4-6 beers a day. But when it comes to things like 30mg of M-drol, I would compare it to a 750 of everclear
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay21 View Post
    Yah and used dbol from age 15. greg valentino mentioned it in one of his articles. and if u read arnold biography he wrote few yrs back he mentions he trained with big men and his good friend in austira and training partner was a doctor.

    There was a statement from someone who used to train with him (one of the other bodybuilders) who said they'd sprinkle dbols like raisins on their wheaties for breakfast....

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  27. Quote Originally Posted by jay21 View Post
    Yah and used dbol from age 15. greg valentino mentioned it in one of his articles. and if u read arnold biography he wrote few yrs back he mentions he trained with big men and his good friend in austira and training partner was a doctor.

    see that is the difference. arnold and those guys back then used it UNDER DOCTOR'S SUPERVISION. u think the bb'ers now do that? let alone normal people like ur friend here?
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by Gixxer82 View Post
    Really? Cause i'm both.
    so was i at one time, im not against it or anything. i think mesomorphs get away with it the easiest

  31. no doubt drinking is terrible for you on OR off cycle... but lets be real here. 2-3 beers on OR off is not going to kill you or do any long term damage. i'm not talking about pounding 15 beers and doing lines of M-drol while you're bro shoves m1t up your butt.. but cmon.

    don't yah think frat boys would be dropping dead by the day if this was the case?
  

  
 

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