40mgs. of Havoc is F*cking me up!!!!
- 03-03-2009, 06:10 PM
40mgs. of Havoc is F*cking me up!!!!
Dude...the pumps and strength gains are insane...I have never lifted so much weight, but dam it makes me feel moody,emotional(I know....WAAA),aggressive and, I think,loss of appetite. I have put on about 7 pounds in 3 1/2 WEEKS. STRENGTH HAS PRETTY MUCH DOUBLED IN ALL EXERCISES.
I think I am going to go beat someone up
- 03-03-2009, 06:24 PM
- 03-03-2009, 06:43 PM
Im on a 40mg pulse, and thats kinda how im feeling right now. Strength and weight went way up in the first 4 weeks. Now kinda tapered off. But dam im kinda moody lately
03-03-2009, 06:51 PM
Are you running 40mg from the start? I am on epi as well with 20/30/40/40. Just started week 4 and I'm up 12.8 pounds. I seemed moody/agressive end of 20mg and through 30mg, but it seems to have calmed. I'm very interested in whether you ran all way through at 40mg.....
03-03-2009, 07:02 PM
Running it 4 weeks(ED) at 20,30,40,40. 20 and 30 really did little for me, but 40 mgs. is a whole nother story. Taking in between 3000 and 4000 cals a day. Protein is about a gram per pound of body weight(I am 183). Tryin to take in as much carbs as possible. I only have 5 days left of the cycle...
03-03-2009, 07:03 PM
03-03-2009, 07:11 PM
your strength should not be doubling
03-03-2009, 07:14 PM
03-03-2009, 07:21 PM
03-03-2009, 07:26 PM
03-03-2009, 08:48 PM
03-03-2009, 09:22 PM
Maybe your reps are doubled like bench 225*5 ---> 225*10
doubled strength means bench 225*1 ---> 450*1, which is ****ed up
I'm glad to hear you're having good results though. Maybe, to clear this up, can we hear some #s? I love hearing them #s
03-03-2009, 09:56 PM
pro-hormones and most steroids make me feel like this
you gotta learn to control it bro and deal with it. otherwise, don't cycle if you're gonna make everyone around you miserable.
03-04-2009, 01:28 AM
40mg also did the trick for me, training was super, massive strength gain (pulse for 6 weeks, did 1 year ago)
But also additional sides on 40mg: lethargy, aggressive, backpumps..
I'm now busy with second pulse cycle, next time I will also try a full cycle (4weeks)
03-04-2009, 07:14 AM
Here are some examples.....
Calves-started out at a max of 125 for 3 sets and now doing 200 pounds at 3 sets
Shoulder press(hammer strength)-started at a max of 70 for 3 sets and now doing 200 for 3 sets
Leg press started at 525 for 3 sets and now doing 875...
and so on
Yeah your right they really haven't doubled, but *hit man close enough
It just sems that sides are pronounced on Orals than on real gear
03-04-2009, 07:15 AM
03-04-2009, 03:03 PM
03-04-2009, 03:05 PM
wtf there is no way your weights should double. did you even lift before this cycle?
03-04-2009, 03:39 PM
03-04-2009, 03:47 PM
03-04-2009, 03:59 PM
03-04-2009, 04:04 PM
03-04-2009, 04:32 PM
I find it helpful to channel aggression to the weights.
All the **** that bothers you and frustrates you...concentrate on conquering that while you're pushing that weight.
Havent done PH's yet, but since Ive been lifting regularly my wife says Im so calm now. I dont fly off at anything and nothing phases me.
Lifting can be therapy lol!
03-04-2009, 05:33 PM
03-04-2009, 05:58 PM
03-04-2009, 07:56 PM
mathis is absolutely correct
man, placebo is great isn't it?
03-04-2009, 08:47 PM
03-04-2009, 09:34 PM
40 mg at 6 weeks didnt do S*** for me. only the good stuff works for me =P
03-04-2009, 10:31 PM
03-05-2009, 08:03 AM
03-05-2009, 10:59 AM
well Ryan you are not alone, i'm almost envious hearing about all these harsh sides and gains, I would rather have that than no sides and no gains.
03-05-2009, 02:24 PM
Right you are gang.....ahhh...the wealth of knowledge you gain so quickly from posting a thread on AM....got to love it.
Always remember....all feedback, whether negative or posotive is always good feedback regardless....
Sorry i didn't get back to you sooner than now....I was preforming my nightly duties and banging my hot girlfriend......so I couldn't reply sooner
03-05-2009, 07:58 PM
i feel that people who gain a lot from epi are victims of placebo
03-05-2009, 08:18 PM
03-05-2009, 08:32 PM
03-05-2009, 08:40 PM
Ive quickly learned people are full of **** and don't know anything about cycling. It's rare you find somebody who actually knows their body and knows how to cycle correctly to fully maximize the benefits.
03-05-2009, 08:46 PM
03-05-2009, 08:51 PM
03-05-2009, 08:56 PM
03-11-2009, 05:40 PM
End of Havoc cycle(4 weeks)
Honestly fellas, I gained almost 10 pounds in the last week...NO B.S.
My recommendation for Havoc so far...
Do it, but be prepared for some crazy sh*t....
Man I have never been so emotional though... I ran 40 mgs. for 11 days instead of the full 14
Strength gains were awesome...noticeable physical gains not that good, but then again, I never think that they are good so...
Vascularity was definetley there...
PCT consists of PCS in the a.m.(2 caps)
6-oxo extreme in the p.m.(before bed)
1 cap for the first week
2 caps starting week 2
Activate Extreme throughout
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