40mgs. of Havoc is F*cking me up!!!!

[partyman43]

Dude...the pumps and strength gains are insane...I have never lifted so much weight, but dam it makes me feel moody,emotional(I know....WAAA),aggressive and, I think,loss of appetite. I have put on about 7 pounds in 3 1/2 WEEKS. STRENGTH HAS PRETTY MUCH DOUBLED IN ALL EXERCISES.

I think I am going to go beat someone up

[Big3upgrade]

Dude...the pumps and strength gains are insane...I have never lifted so much weight, but dam it makes me feel moody,emotional(I know....WAAA),aggressive and, I think,loss of appetite. I have put on about 7 pounds in 3 1/2 WEEKS. STRENGTH HAS PRETTY MUCH DOUBLED IN ALL EXERCISES.

I think I am going to go beat someone up

Lol....haha. how long are u running it for?

[diesel7]

Im on a 40mg pulse, and thats kinda how im feeling right now. Strength and weight went way up in the first 4 weeks. Now kinda tapered off. But dam im kinda moody lately

[Liquid13]

Are you running 40mg from the start? I am on epi as well with 20/30/40/40. Just started week 4 and I'm up 12.8 pounds. I seemed moody/agressive end of 20mg and through 30mg, but it seems to have calmed. I'm very interested in whether you ran all way through at 40mg.....

[partyman43]

Are you running 40mg from the start? I am on epi as well with 20/30/40/40. Just started week 4 and I'm up 12.8 pounds. I seemed moody/agressive end of 20mg and through 30mg, but it seems to have calmed. I'm very interested in whether you ran all way through at 40mg.....

Running it 4 weeks(ED) at 20,30,40,40. 20 and 30 really did little for me, but 40 mgs. is a whole nother story. Taking in between 3000 and 4000 cals a day. Protein is about a gram per pound of body weight(I am 183). Tryin to take in as much carbs as possible. I only have 5 days left of the cycle...

[partyman43]

Im on a 40mg pulse, and thats kinda how im feeling right now. Strength and weight went way up in the first 4 weeks. Now kinda tapered off. But dam im kinda moody lately

Ran Havoc last summer on a 6 week pulse and went as high as 60mgs...nothing like a straight cycle though

[UnrealMachine]

your strength should not be doubling

[Jeremy Brown]

Ran Havoc last summer on a 6 week pulse and went as high as 60mgs...nothing like a straight cycle though

straight cycles are where its at, screw that pulsing sh*t. if youre gonna run a steroidal cycle you might as well do it straight up and reap the full benefits...

[Liquid13]

your strength should not be doubling

I'm pretty sure he was exagerating and just trying to express his great strength increases he has observed.

[partyman43]

your strength should not be doubling

Truthfully...some things it has...back,shoulders and legs...chest is always my week point so no not there...

Let me ask you a question..why should not be doubling?.......

Havoc always gives me better strength gains than anything else

[Liquid13]

Truthfully...some things it has...back,shoulders and legs...chest is always my week point so no not there...

Let me ask you a question..why should not be doubling?.......

Havoc always gives me better strength gains than anything else

When you say double strength it infers that you mean your bench has gone from, say 200 pounds to 400 pounds. Perhaps you mean your strength gains are double the norm? Time it would take to increase bench 10 pounds actually yielded you 20 pounds?

[UnrealMachine]

Maybe your reps are doubled like bench 225*5 ---> 225*10

doubled strength means bench 225*1 ---> 450*1, which is ****ed up

I'm glad to hear you're having good results though. Maybe, to clear this up, can we hear some #s? I love hearing them #s

[ibanezman08]

pro-hormones and most steroids make me feel like this

you gotta learn to control it bro and deal with it. otherwise, don't cycle if you're gonna make everyone around you miserable.

[evolution]

40mg also did the trick for me, training was super, massive strength gain (pulse for 6 weeks, did 1 year ago)
But also additional sides on 40mg: lethargy, aggressive, backpumps..

I'm now busy with second pulse cycle, next time I will also try a full cycle (4weeks)

[partyman43]

Maybe your reps are doubled like bench 225*5 ---> 225*10

doubled strength means bench 225*1 ---> 450*1, which is ****ed up

I'm glad to hear you're having good results though. Maybe, to clear this up, can we hear some #s? I love hearing them #s

Nah you are right Unreal...

Here are some examples.....
Calves-started out at a max of 125 for 3 sets and now doing 200 pounds at 3 sets

Shoulder press(hammer strength)-started at a max of 70 for 3 sets and now doing 200 for 3 sets

Leg press started at 525 for 3 sets and now doing 875...

and so on

Yeah your right they really haven't doubled, but *hit man close enough

It just sems that sides are pronounced on Orals than on real gear

[partyman43]

When you say double strength it infers that you mean your bench has gone from, say 200 pounds to 400 pounds. Perhaps you mean your strength gains are double the norm? Time it would take to increase bench 10 pounds actually yielded you 20 pounds?

Good call liquid...you are right on Bro..

[partyman43]

pro-hormones and most steroids make me feel like this

you gotta learn to control it bro and deal with it. otherwise, don't cycle if you're gonna make everyone around you miserable.

I hear ya my friend....Thats just it though...it gives you the mentality to push your pumps to the limit. I think that is what is making me feel like I am lifting double.

[krogtaar]

wtf there is no way your weights should double. did you even lift before this cycle?

[joshhh]

Dude...the pumps and strength gains are insane...I have never lifted so much weight, but dam it makes me feel moody,emotional(I know....WAAA),aggressive and, I think,loss of appetite. I have put on about 7 pounds in 3 1/2 WEEKS. STRENGTH HAS PRETTY MUCH DOUBLED IN ALL EXERCISES.

I think I am going to go beat someone up

yeah same, im on my 4th week of a havoc cycle, runnin 40mg and i have noticed a lot of emoitonal changes lately. No change in appetite though, and ive gained around 12 pounds

[joshhh]

Did the same thing to me bro. I had to stop at the 3 week mark. I gained 7lbs total and some decent strength, but it just wasn't worth the bullshyt. I cried a few times, was pissed all day, had TERRIBLE TERRIBLE FCKIN ANXIETY(this was the worst part) and in general I just felt like shyt. There is a reason why the saying "test is best" exists

damn that sounds like you had a ****ty 3 weeks lol.
what were you running it at?