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    im geting ready to start a 15 week cycle of test (first pin is today). my pct will consist of nolva and clomid. this is my first cycle. i am 165 and about 5'8 (very ectomorph) my diet is prety clean and i usually eat 4 to 6 meals a day at about 1000 calories a meal. the only other supplements i am takeing are a monohydrate, waximaze, and whey and cassien protien. i will be documenting my cycle in this forum. if anyone has any advice, feel free, i love to learn.

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    What type of test? What dose? Why 15wk?
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    How much test are you running?
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    its ethinate test . im doing 500 mg (2cc a week). and a trusted source recomended a 15 week cycle, and that seems to be a prety common cycle length for this cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by axisdrumer View Post
    its ethinate test . im doing 500 mg (2cc a week). and a trusted source recomended a 15 week cycle, and that seems to be a prety common cycle length for this cycle.
    10-12 weeks is enough for a first cycle. 15 weeks is stretching it without HCG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    10-12 weeks is enough for a first cycle. 15 weeks is stretching it without HCG.
    Second that.. stick with 10-12.
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    right on. im gunna do some more research on that. thanks for the advice. so i did my first injection a little while ago. and i was super nervous. but it did not hurt at all. i did 2cc's into the glutes, injection site is kinda sore but nothing to bad. im just excited to start seein some results!!!! this is gunna be the longest 3-6 weeks ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by axisdrumer View Post
    im just excited to start seein some results!!!!
    be prepared to wait 4-6 weeks for full effects
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    thats what i hear. ya im prepared to wait, but im still prety excited, even tho i wont feel the effects, im still pshyced to go hit the gym tomorow.
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    day 2 still prety sore on injection site. nothing to extreme. i recently had my wisdom teeth pulled and immeditely after got really sik so needless to say,not only was i outa the gym, but i couldnt eat much for like 2 weeks, so im still geting back in the swing of things. i lost about 7-8 lbs in those 2 weks =( so i weighed in at 160 even this morning, dry with boxers on =( prety sad.
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    if you have three vials you should count on losing some in the pinning process i Imagen you will only get 13 to 14 out of those three vials not the 15 week. mod edit: read the rules.
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    thanx pepti. ya i got three vials. so yesterday i was super moody. dont kno if thats due to the test or me being pissy. and injection site was prety sore but it feels 80% beter today. paitently waiting to see/feel some results. workouts have been really good, probably because im super excited for some RESULTS!
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    I would always run an AI such as IBE Formex when running test
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    Yeah! I wish I had run an AI! You might end up crying like girl like I have....literally! Sorta funny.....otherwise very happy with my first cycle of test. Gotta tell ya though....it's addicting! Love the way I feel in the gym and recovery is awesome!
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    LOL yup estrogen will do that to you
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    Ya an AI during is probably a good idea if I ever do test again because I had some major water retention (though some was my bulking "diet") and it makes it obvious what is going on. Formadrol of some type or aromasin are good and should keep estrogen in check.
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    i just ended an enanthate cycle of 20 weeks (similar starting stats, except i was 180)... by week 15 i was topped out on the weight gain, so it was pointless past that really. so in my individual case i did gain weight past 12 weeks. i dont think length of cycle really matters for a beginner as much as to what youre actually using. technically u could go till u stop gaining weight... i mean i was just as shutdown in week 12 as i was in week 20 put it that way
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    Did you use hCG? Thats the only way I would go that long? The longer you are shut down the longer you will take to come back to allostasis or normality though it is dependent on the person.
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    right on natty. im going to look into that. tanx.
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    perfect triton. ya im really excited about it. i cant tell if its starting to work or if im just giddy and excited. haha super stoked
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    right on orangutan. ya im figuring my supply to last me about 13 weeks or so. im sure i wont be dissapointed. how were the gains???
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    second pin today!!! it kinda hurt this time, proly cuz i was haveing trouble keeping the pin still. any waz. i got all my measurements taken the other day. i got a skin fold and dunked in the hydrostatic tank at my school. which are as follows.

    weight-161 =(
    height-5ft 7.5in
    total bodyfat- 6.7% (massing)
    fat mass-10.8 lbs
    lean mass-150.2
    arms- L15.5 R15
    calfs-R14 L13.75
    shoulder (arms down)- 49
    quads-R21.5 L22
    (i swear ive been dieting and lifting hard. im just super ectomorph, and i snowboard alot)
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    Quote Originally Posted by axisdrumer View Post
    second pin today!!! it kinda hurt this time, proly cuz i was haveing trouble keeping the pin still. any waz. i got all my measurements taken the other day. i got a skin fold and dunked in the hydrostatic tank at my school. which are as follows.

    weight-161 =(
    height-5ft 7.5in
    total bodyfat- 6.7% (massing)
    fat mass-10.8 lbs
    lean mass-150.2
    arms- L15.5 R15
    calfs-R14 L13.75
    shoulder (arms down)- 49
    quads-R21.5 L22
    (i swear ive been dieting and lifting hard. im just super ectomorph, and i snowboard alot)
    hmm youre pretty heavy for a 5"8 ecto...those stats sound like mine when i first started lifting hard, but i'd consider myself a mesa
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    Quote Originally Posted by orangutan View Post
    hmm youre pretty heavy for a 5"8 ecto...those stats sound like mine when i first started lifting hard, but i'd consider myself a mesa
    ya ive managed to put on some weight (after about a year and a half of soild lifting and dieting)and my arms grow prety quick but i have a very small frame and not much mass, as far as thickness goes. theres definetly a little bit of messo in me. but im a super slow gainer
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    day 8. so i had an awsome workout today. i did back, and all i can think about is goin back to do biceps later. and my sex drive has gone up quite a bit. P.S how do i put my pic sa my default????
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    man you say super alot
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsmoney1 View Post
    man you say super alot
    never noticed...
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    so you are pinning 2ml once a week? you know it would feel better overall if you split it into 2 injections and did them saturday and wed instead. As it stands you basically have days of the week where you have as much as 100mg of effective testosterone in you, and days where it is as low as 43mg. if you do it 2x a week, the range would be from 54-78mg from lowest to highest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    so you are pinning 2ml once a week? you know it would feel better overall if you split it into 2 injections and did them saturday and wed instead. As it stands you basically have days of the week where you have as much as 100mg of effective testosterone in you, and days where it is as low as 43mg. if you do it 2x a week, the range would be from 54-78mg from lowest to highest.
    thats a really good point. i just need to buy more pins. thanx alot
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    i agree go twice a week
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    Quote Originally Posted by axisdrumer View Post
    thats a really good point. i just need to buy more pins. thanx alot
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    wouldnt one shot a week be more of a "cruising" thing and not a cycling thing?
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    it would be more of a sucking thing, as the day of (or after, I forget how long it takes to peak) the shot your levels are more than 2x as high as the day before. So sure you stay at supraphysiological levels the whole time, but you go from feeling like thor to just feeling like a high test 18 year old. The bigger swings can cause moodiness, depression, etc.

    Even for TRT docs who prescribe a 1 time a week protocol, they are generally prescribing 1-2 days of HCG as well partway thru the week which will cause your body to create its own test, shoring up the levels. you can get to supraphysiological levels of test FOR A WHILE on HCG only, but it will downregulate after a while
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    on a real blast + cruise kind of thing you'd still do 2x a week, but during blast time the levels would be quite high, and during cruise likely 200mg-300mg a week, maybe more for the enormous monsters out there
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    should be easy in oregon, just go to the local health clinic and tell them you are a heroin addict, they'll give em to you free
    haha thats perfect. i love telling people im an heroin addict. haha. thats gunna be a humbling experience.. im gunna look into it
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    Quote Originally Posted by axisdrumer View Post
    haha thats perfect. i love telling people im an heroin addict. haha. thats gunna be a humbling experience.. im gunna look into it
    hehehehee if not, lemee know there are places online
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    hehehehee if not, lemee know there are places online
    ya im gunna call the clinic and see what they can do. heroin is water based so they proly use a smaller gauge pin.
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    ah true. you may be able to just buy them at a pharmacy. I know in florida you dont need a prescription to buy them
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    Ha! dude i was searching for info on clomid and nolva and this was the first one! Then i started reading and noticed, "hey i know that name!" sup bro! didnt know u started the cycle before u had ur wisdom teeth out? tight
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman123 View Post
    Ha! dude i was searching for info on clomid and nolva and this was the first one! Then i started reading and noticed, "hey i know that name!" sup bro! didnt know u started the cycle before u had ur wisdom teeth out? tight
    no i didnt start before i had my wisdom teeth out lol... what made you think that???? did you get your nolva and clomid????
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