epistane vs. tren extreme question?

[RayLGanske]

Tren extreme: 19-Norandrosta-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
Epistane: 2a, 3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol

I am wanting to use one of the two P/H but do not want to stack them. I am not looking for and extreme gain, but more of a gradual gain while cutting down on my body fat. Which one would you recomend that also has low side effects such as hair loss and gyno? Thank you for you time and consideration.

[Big3upgrade]

Epistane for sure. Run it at 30mg/day for 30 days.

[RayLGanske]

What about a pct as well?

[Big3upgrade]

It depend what route you want to go, OTC or SERM.

Personally I'd keep it simple and do this for PCT:
Week 1: Reversitol (3)
Week 2: Reversitol (2)
Week 3: Reversitol (2) Activate Xtreme (4)
Week 4: Reversitol (1) Activate Xtreme (4)
Week 5: Activate Xtreme (4)
Week 6: Activate Xtreme (4)

You can add lean extreme staring the 3rd week if you like to control cortisol.

Also you should take Cycle Assist during cycle to control your bp and minmize any liver damage from the methylated PH.

[SWOLL]

i think youd put on more weight with tren extreme to be honest, but the side effects would be harsher also.

[AFOX]

i think youd put on more weight with tren extreme to be honest, but the side effects would be harsher also.

The tren-extreme would be less toxic, as it is not methylated.

[angel77]

Epistane can and has caused hairloss. It is also methylated but is considered a mild Steroid. 19nor Tren is known for strength gains and leaning out a bit and it is NOT methylated. BUT, Tren is a progestin and can cause a serious hit to your libido and progestin gyno but it would depend if your prone. Your choice man!

[nickrut]

Epistane can and has caused hairloss. It is also methylated but is considered a mild Steroid. 19nor Tren is known for strength gains and leaning out a bit and it is NOT methylated. BUT, Tren is a progestin and can cause a serious hit to your libido and progestin gyno but it would depend if your prone. Your choice man!

Just nit picking here...I'm fairly confident 19-nor is not a progestin. It is actually a precursor to dienelone, which isn't Tren, and thus isn't a progestin.


To the OP.

For more size, I'd say go with e-stane, for more strength go with tren. For PCT with e-stane, you can go either SERM or OTC, which would be soemthing like 6oxo + test booster (PCS Assist is great here due to I3C and Trans-Resveritol).

[jay21]

id go with tren too. didnt like epi too much it was really weak. go with finavol by APS good company at nice 50mg dosages.

[jay21]

any OTC u can take while on a gyno prone PH that may hold gyno off? and not weaken the PH

[Problem]

Tren for size and strength and lose of libido ! this stuff blows everything out.

Epi sucks!

[ibanezman08]

look into kilosports trenadrol
great for cutting.

[angel77]

look into kilosports trenadrol
great for cutting.

I have 2 bottles and am gonna start a cut in May. I can't wait. You start at 90mg and move up to 120?

[Big3upgrade]

Ahhhh trenadrol. So nice. I am stacking it with 2 bottles of methyl-e in june.

[angel77]

Just nit picking here...I'm fairly confident 19-nor is not a progestin. It is actually a precursor to dienelone, which isn't Tren, and thus isn't a progestin.



To the OP.

For more size, I'd say go with e-stane, for more strength go with tren. For PCT with e-stane, you can go either SERM or OTC, which would be soemthing like 6oxo + test booster (PCS Assist is great here due to I3C and Trans-Resveritol).

My bad. I was under the impression it was a progestin. Many that cycle it use p5p and vitex to prevent prolactin. I guess I was misinformed? Cheers, I learn somethin' every day. angel77

[Big3upgrade]

It is not a progestine, but it causes progestine sides. My nipps were soft and puffy after the cycle. It was like that for the longest time, until I started to take p5p, vitex, and l-tyrosine. I did take 300mg of b6 e/d while on cycle, but that did not help one bit.

[angel77]

It is not a progestine, but it causes progestine sides. My nipps were soft and puffy after the cycle. It was like that for the longest time, until I started to take p5p, vitex, and l-tyrosine. I did take 300mg of b6 e/d while on cycle, but that did not help one bit.

no ****? did you develop gyno?

[Big3upgrade]

no ****? did you develop gyno?

Yes I did, on my left nip. A nice little lump right underneath...pain is the ass. But it doest not hurt if I touch it, it got a little itchy during the cycle, but thats it. Cant wait to get surgery when I get some cash save up.

[angel77]

Yes I did, on my left nip. A nice little lump right underneath...pain is the ass. But it doest not hurt if I touch it, it got a little itchy during the cycle, but thats it. Cant wait to get surgery when I get some cash save up.

Did you run a small dose of arimadex while on? I certainly will be. .5 eod. while on cycle. What was your PCT like? Nolva or Clomid? I appreciate your input. Cheers, angel77

[ibanezman08]

i'm gonna start a run of trenadrol hopefully next week

i'm just going to start at 90mg and ride it out at that dose. it's an effective dose no doubt. we'll see.