epistane vs. tren extreme question?
- 02-26-2009, 12:36 AM
epistane vs. tren extreme question?
Tren extreme: 19-Norandrosta-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
Epistane: 2a, 3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
I am wanting to use one of the two P/H but do not want to stack them. I am not looking for and extreme gain, but more of a gradual gain while cutting down on my body fat. Which one would you recomend that also has low side effects such as hair loss and gyno? Thank you for you time and consideration.
- 02-26-2009, 12:49 AM
- 02-26-2009, 01:14 AM
02-26-2009, 01:28 AM
It depend what route you want to go, OTC or SERM.
Personally I'd keep it simple and do this for PCT:
Week 1: Reversitol (3)
Week 2: Reversitol (2)
Week 3: Reversitol (2) Activate Xtreme (4)
Week 4: Reversitol (1) Activate Xtreme (4)
Week 5: Activate Xtreme (4)
Week 6: Activate Xtreme (4)
You can add lean extreme staring the 3rd week if you like to control cortisol.
Also you should take Cycle Assist during cycle to control your bp and minmize any liver damage from the methylated PH.
02-26-2009, 01:30 PM
i think youd put on more weight with tren extreme to be honest, but the side effects would be harsher also.
02-27-2009, 12:07 PM
02-27-2009, 01:05 PM
Epistane can and has caused hairloss. It is also methylated but is considered a mild Steroid. 19nor Tren is known for strength gains and leaning out a bit and it is NOT methylated. BUT, Tren is a progestin and can cause a serious hit to your libido and progestin gyno but it would depend if your prone. Your choice man!
02-27-2009, 05:08 PM
Just nit picking here...I'm fairly confident 19-nor is not a progestin. It is actually a precursor to dienelone, which isn't Tren, and thus isn't a progestin.
To the OP.
For more size, I'd say go with e-stane, for more strength go with tren. For PCT with e-stane, you can go either SERM or OTC, which would be soemthing like 6oxo + test booster (PCS Assist is great here due to I3C and Trans-Resveritol).
02-27-2009, 05:15 PM
id go with tren too. didnt like epi too much it was really weak. go with finavol by APS good company at nice 50mg dosages.
02-27-2009, 05:15 PM
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02-27-2009, 10:04 PM
02-27-2009, 11:06 PM
02-27-2009, 11:08 PM
02-27-2009, 11:09 PM
02-27-2009, 11:14 PM
It is not a progestine, but it causes progestine sides. My nipps were soft and puffy after the cycle. It was like that for the longest time, until I started to take p5p, vitex, and l-tyrosine. I did take 300mg of b6 e/d while on cycle, but that did not help one bit.
02-27-2009, 11:23 PM
02-27-2009, 11:38 PM
02-28-2009, 09:01 AM
02-28-2009, 10:26 PM
i'm gonna start a run of trenadrol hopefully next week
i'm just going to start at 90mg and ride it out at that dose. it's an effective dose no doubt. we'll see.
03-17-2009, 01:00 AM
trenadrol isnt nearly as good as extreme tren in my opinion, and epi doesnt suck, yoou need to give it 3 weeks to really kick in, the tren products kick in real quick, make you real pissy too.
03-17-2009, 09:30 PM
epi sux tren rulez end of discussion. epi is for smaller ppl who r like 170-160 if ur like above 200 epi wont do anything.
03-17-2009, 09:49 PM
05-06-2009, 04:49 PM
Sorry to resurrect this, but I wanted anyone's input on bridging from tren to epi. Would a normal 4-5 week cycle of xtren with CS and a pct of clomid, formex, lean fx, etc be enough protection against possible sides, or would bridging to epistane for 2 weeks help control estrogen after the xtren?(followed by the clomid, etc)(also would have Nolva, p5p, vitex, and taurine on hand)
I see a lot of people doing a small bridge to epi at the end of tren, and figured maybe it might e beneficial, or maybe it might suppress estrogen too much after tren and make it harder to get back to normal test/est levels?
05-06-2009, 04:54 PM
05-06-2009, 04:57 PM
I would however assume not as the epi will take a little bit to kick in and you will be shut down right away so it might be a rough couple of days until the epi kicks in, even then after it does kick in you will be right about the time where its working best , then abruptly stopping. Just seems risky to me, but I havent done it so i would like to hear others opinions.
05-06-2009, 10:51 PM
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05-15-2009, 01:26 PM
(1) Sustain Alpha (last 3 weeks of cycle)
(1) Epistane (3 weeks on) (Already purchased this)
(1) X-Tren (2 weeks on)
(1) Cycle Support
(1) ACL Joint Repair ( I've heard this is good stuff for joints)
PCT: TRS and Reversitol (If needed) & ZMA & X-Dreams at night.
This is only going to be a (5) week cycle and a (5) week PCT. Total of (10) weeks together. I'm looking to see 15lbs LBM gains and keep at least 75% of those gains in both mass and strength. Let hope the TRS is sufficient enough. The idea is to not be on either PH long enough to experience serious sides & shutdown, but long enough to receive some decent gains. Taking SA alongside will also help w/ shutdown issues while on Tren. I decided to do this when I realized 90% of my gains were found in the first 12-14 days on Tren. So I opted to take Epi for (3) weeks because it isn't as quick at responding to the muscles as Tren is. Theoretically, I feel this is a solid plan. We'll see...
05-15-2009, 06:17 PM
Tren is really good I have seen a huge increase in size, hardening, rapid strength gains, and its a dry product so you will have a better overall vascularity look. Epi I would say its good too try stacking the two into a spawn like cycle for a better outcome. Hope that helped.
05-16-2009, 06:04 PM
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05-17-2009, 12:01 AM
05-17-2009, 12:44 AM
tren is much faster def. 3-4 days, n can havin lasting on cycle effects for a few weeks if u take it long enough
05-18-2009, 08:17 AM
yeah usually buy the first week and a half its already kicked in real good usually the first week I experience light lethargy but it goes away in week two. I usually had back pumps on it too but supplementing with taurine actually gets rid of it real quick. after 5 days strength gains are so noticiable.
05-18-2009, 05:50 PM
Epi for 21 days- Long enough to get some gains
Bridge on 3rd week
Tren for 12-14 days - Short enough to avoid harsh sides
Total of 5 weeks.
With SA alongside and lots of Whey Protein, I'm thinking 12-14lbs LBM is obtainable w/ an effortless PCT.
05-19-2009, 04:57 PM
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