Promagnon 25 log
- 02-10-2009, 03:25 PM
Promagnon 25 log
After searching some time for a "wet" non-methyl, non-progestin ph/os to stack promagnon with, I decided the options in this department were lacking so I've decided to just run it solo.
Cycle: Promagnon 25
Days 1-12: 50mg
Days 13-45: 75mg
So about a 6 week cycle
Have used PM 25 as well as other oral compounds with success.
Week 1: 20 mg Nolvadex
Week 2: 20 mg Nolvadex & Activate Xtreme 4 pills
Week 3: 20 mg Nolvadex & Activate Xtreme 4 pills
Week 4: 20 mg Nolvadex & Activate Xtreme 5 pills
(AX will overlap actual PCT a week or so, will continue at 5 pills)
- Activate may be started a week later if I still feel somewhat shut down...shouldn't be an issue though
-Have some Universal Storm, NOW Beta-Alanine, & Animal Pump I may use to accompany in PCT to help retain gains, but I havn't had trouble with much loss on pct for PM25.
Cycle support includes:
Joint Support Complex
DHEA (to help with libido crash...which has happened to me before on PM in the later weeks)
SERM on hand (Nolvadex) in case of gyno flare
- Of course, your basic protein, ON will be used
this is where im being a little creative...this compound is typically used for a cut, and as my experience running it before- it does so with excellent results...will keep caloric intake high, 5000+...not too out of the ordinary for my diet, but i would prefer a lean bulk out of this rather than a simple recomp...great in terms of strength, so i hope to break some of my personal goals as well especially in the big 3 lifts
lets hope lethargy and gyno dont as they did the last time i ran this
- 02-10-2009, 03:35 PM
yeah...thanks hank...i narrowed it down to 3ad, bold, and furaz...bold and furaz are too dry and the combo on the joints would be annoying...3ad is the only ph i found that fits the profile, but for the $ 3ad costs, i just havnt seen any reviews/heard experiences that would make it worth the investment in my mind
Isnt 4 weeks of promag a very short cycle for that compound? I know its comparable to hdrol which usually requires 5-6 weeks to be an effective cycle...
What about PP's topical Dermacrine - prohormone? or even the 1-T topical they have--seems to make some hold h20.
Chest/Abs Day 1
might just make that order for furaz tonight then...what do you think, bold or furaz? can't decide
anyhow, did chest/abs today, nothing out of the ordinary as is just day 1, but just conscious that i was "on" i was a little more ballsy on flat
Flat BB bench: warmups
Incline DB Flyes:
-intermediate ab workout
on days that i do flat bb bench, usually start with 225 after warmups for 10-12 reps, then work up to 275 for lower reps, but im glad i pushed today...my goal is to finish my set with 315x4 reps like i used to
if your not even going to be running the cycle for 4 whole weeks, bold would be a waste as i hear it takes much longer to take affect. i really like the dermacrine or 1-T ideas, probably give you much more results for much less money compared to the furza imo.
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Still too early for noticable affects...slowly remembering the amazing pumps i used to get on pm25
Usually start with deads, but i do deads for 2 weeks, then take a week off, today was the off day
Pre-exhausted the lats w/
Lat pulldowns (wide parallel grip):
Barbell Reverse Grip Rows:
Single Arm Lat Pulldown:
Lower Back Extensions
3 sets of bodyweight for 15 reps
-my goal is to hit 365 3rd set for barbell rows while on cycle, and though i didnt deadlift today, make 5 plates for my 3rd set with 4 reps
usual numbers, if anything, felt lacking on tbar rows, can usually hit 6 plates for 10 reps or so, but lower back just wasnt feeling the weight
itchy nip syndrome hit me by day 3-4 last time i did this cycle, hoping it wont happen at all, or at least later in the cycle this time
thanks 4 checkin in, off day tommorow
im actually leaning towards bridging the cycle (assuming the pm25 goes smoothely), either into hdrol or havoc...leaning towards hdrol since im more familiar with the dosing
your right- theyre similar, but the differences are apparent, pm25 converts to clostebol- more androgenic and halo converts to turinabol- more anabolic...from my research hdrol would be better yielding in size gains but nonetheless, your right- similar results
...essentially looking for the best compound to prolong the cycle...not a definite, just speculating
update on magnon...recovery is noticable, brutal back workout yesterday which usually has me sore for a few days...feeling almost entirely recovered
thanks for stopping in...shoulders & traps tommorow
Subbed. I have 2 bottles sitting here so I'll follow along.
If I were in your shoes, I'd keep this a solo run. Your idea to bridge is the best so far in this thread. But keep in mind, the reason we run p25, halo, or an epithio is because the recovery is smooth and you can easily keep gains. The recovery is more difficult once you stack and bridge.
For example, gain 8 and keep 6 on a solo run all while feeling great. Gain 12 keep 7 or 8 on a bridge and feel like crap for a few weeks into pct, regardless of how good your pct looks on paper.
thanks celc...will keep that good advice in mind
did a late trap/shoulder workout, strength is showing definite improvements, as pm25 has always been good for
dropset with 315, burnout
-usual weights here, but it felt somewhat eaiser, i was holding at the top for a second, even with 5 plates, if i can hit 5 plates and a quarter for some decent reps by the end of this cycle, ill be happy
heres where i hit a new PR
Seated BB Military Press:
DB Lateral Raises:
all super dropset with 25s
Single Hand Front Pulley Raises:
all super with 50lb straight bar front raise
Rear Delt Fly on Fly Machine:
So about 4/5 days in...about when the compounds affects should start "kicking in" with proper diet and all, i say this lightly though, the actual strength of this cycle wont be noticed at least until week 2
-pumps: simply amazing, no arginine/creatine product can top the pumps ive felt off this product, simply ridiculous...vascularity is showing defininte improvements
-strength: slow and steady
-sides: none thus far, which is great bc i usually am a magnet for sides
tommorow is either legs or arms
thanks for stopping in
by the way, weighing in at 205...this isnt true weight though since its nightime, will do another weigh tommorow morning post dropping heat
Looks great so far...alot like my past Epi cycle.
Can someone clear up for me what exactly are the differences between anabolic and androgenic as far as benefits or side effect. I understand the actual definition but I was wondering the differences in personal experiences.
Sorry to highjack...thought I'd ask since Promagnon is mostly androgenic and alot of others are anabolic. What are the noticeable differences while on and off cycle?? Lucky!
appreciate the comments, im excited for you big...keep me posted once you start
recovery feels great btw, last night my shoulders/traps were pretty sore and im feeling nearly fresh today...
weighed in at 201 this morning, up a few lbs, but its still early and the strength/recovery is promising thus far
im sure a few guys here could answer that Q lucky better than i can
the pump was literally painful today...all those subbed debating to take it, i highly recommend to do so
DB Hammer Curl:
superset with reverse grip concentration curls EV bar
EV Bar curl super w/ DB isolation curl:
EV Bar & 1 plate on each side- 3 sets of 6 reps
Single hand db concentration curl w/ 25lb dbs- 3 sets of 12-8 reps
Close Grip Bench on Smith (had no spotter so had 2 use smith):
- kinda upset, i usually finish with 3 plates for 4-6 reps, but even on the smith, i didnt feel confident without the spot
French Curls w/ EV Bar:
25s on each side: 12 reps
35s each side: 10 reps
45s each side: 10 reps
Rack + 45lb platex10
Rack + 2 45lb platesx10
Rope Pulley Pushdowns:
then some basic forearm work...this entry is already long so ill spare you
there were no "strength" improvements today, but the pump was phenominal and more than made up for it...i dont really strive for many personal goals on arm day except for bicep barbell curl and close grip, so looking for improvements in that department
-recovery in between sets is amazing, feels like im on cracked beta-alanine; endurance mid sets is improving and squeezing out more reps
- vascularity: promagnon apparently invents new veins usually have good vascularity, but today i noticed a cable vein from my over my trap and onto my shoulder, happy about that
-legs tommorow, this is the department i generally lack in, if u havnt noticed, my max on the big 3 are unproportional...highest ive hit on squat is 365x2 reps, id love to hit a max of 4 plates by the end of this cycle...i know high hopes
thanks for stopping in
legs went well, squats improved- definately...awesome quad and calf pump and endurance was noticeably improved
BB Squats: i go just below parallel
dropset with 2 plates until failure
- have never been able to squeeze out 8 reps with 3 plates before, esp with such good form and depth, the 365 were also good reps and very deep...pleased, will be pushing for better weights/reps next lift
- nothing too unusual, a few more extra reps, would like to break 1000 on the 3rd set for a few reps
superset w/ HackSquat Machine:
Calf Raises on machine:
super w: donkey raises 2 plates
Skipped Hams with the intention of doing some tire flipping with a 750lb tire...somewhat training for an upcoming strongman comp in the spring...tire was filled with ice and water though so i gave it a rest, will probably hit hams on back day...
Still early, but feeling great, bf% hasn't dropped, but I'm feeling tighter...barely have a "gut" but you can still see the faint 6pack, more of a bloated stomach look...this isnt from the pm25 i just usually look like that, hopefully can lean that down as i increase cardio on cycle...
-so endurance, vascularity/pump, and recovery are coming in very well
- bf% reduction is in the works, usually start leaning out in week 2
- strength: thus far gradual in some departments, and very noticable in others...looking foward to bench and deadlift soon
taking tommorow off, thanks for stopping in
great chest day, pr on flat bench; i have hit 3 plates before for a few reps, but that was a while ago and ever since i havnt been able to go beyond 295 for a while
Flat BB Bench:
- usually go to 3 plates on this but it felt terrible today, pretty sure the bench is actually lopped sided as of recently/piece of sh!t, will likely be doing db or smith for a while for decline movements...thats my school gym for u
DB Flyes superset with Overhead Extensions
- then basic ab work
strength: prominent and increasing; honestly, 3 plates didn't feel that "impossible heavy" feeling you get once you take something off the rack and immediately regret trying
recovery: very good
sides: none that i have noticed, knock on wood...walking to class today and had a terrible calf pump, but only for a few minutes
not sure if people are still subb'd to this, ill be doing back tommorow, going for 505 on deadlift, wish me luck
lol this log is pretty pathetic, doesnt seem to be many people subb'd...i might just discontinue after this post
ill just do whatever improvements were made to keep it short
Barbell Overhand Rows
Reverse Grip Lat Pulldown:
PR Racked it at 250x8
BTN Lat Pulldown
T-Bar Rows on Pulley
then hit the hams i missed a few days ago
505 did not feel bad at all, i was scared to do it and almost didn't in fear i might hurt myself, kept form tight though and pulled out a clean rep...i kinda wished i went for 545 that kinda a long shot though
-bf% is dropping slightly, feeling more fuller and pumped throughout the day, weight in at about 202 in the morning so gradual weight gain
thanks for checking in, whoever still is lol
I'm subbed and in for the long haul bro. I'm reading but haven't had much to say since your posts have been very thorough so far.
Personally, I get just as much out of logs that have hundreds of hits as I do with logs that have thousands. When I feel the responsibility of posting daily updates, it helps to keep my diet and workouts more honest.
no hairshedding, or noticeable loss at all...i would be prone to MPB being that most males in my family notice hair loss/receding hair line at earlier ages...so far so good, knock on wood
only other "sides" i can mention is slight increase in irritability, though ive never been the person to let that get out of control
-one other thing...starting to notice traces of blood in my nose when i blow it, as well as in the mucus i have building up in the back of my throat, usually attributed to my mild allergies and not just gizz...not a large concern, but i figure the somewhat bloody noses and brief intermittent headaches might be signs of bp increase...ive altered my diet, as well as taking cycle support to aid with bp, and it seems to be getting better, will get bp levels checked if problem persists
body fat is dropping, i am looking alot more defined, and as bf drops i am noticing lean muscle gains...so weight is at 200 presently, went up first then down a little, but im not one to base my progress entirely off the scale and therefore don't mind it being that i look better and fuller, and strength is surely improved
-feeling somewhat sore in my shoulders from chest and back...i might take the day off if i do not feel fully recovered after a few meals
thanks for the feedback...
heres a question for you guys, the one part of my body noticeably unproportional to everything else is my calves...ive been hitting them differently for a while...and theyre growing but, esp while on cycle- what are your opinions about hitting them twice a week, evenly spaced out? im usually not a fan training anything more than once a week, but i feel this might be worth a try
Oh, and one more thing: Just because you may not have a lot of replies doesn't mean that people are not following along. Also keep in mind that keeping a log is also a way for you to track your progress. Keep up the great work!
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on cycle I do bodyparts 2, sometimes 3 times per week. I justify this with enhanced recovery on cycle. However, during typical training, I train most bodyparts twice per week anyway. So consider the source when you take my advice regarding frequency.
P25 is theoretically more androgenic than halo. The dermacrine and 1T are probably better options for the LESS androgenic compounds like halo or for those like me who have zero androgenic effect from phera. The P25 + either dermacrine or 1T might add to shedding and acne, but minimal increase in gains IMO. I've never ran 1T or Dermacrine, so that's just my theoretical opinion.
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