Saw a preview for a new designer on another site. Its M1T with an added 5-6 double bond. Anybody have any ideas about this compound?
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Not sure how pertinent this is, but it's the only unbiased info that I've seen about it thus far. I have no idea what the differences would be with the C3 ketone vs the C3 OH.The name in Vida would be 17a-methyl-1,5-androstadiene-17b-ol-3-one. The reduced form of it is actually in Vida with a 3 hydroxy. Says it is 1.25 times more anabolic than methyl testosterone but does not give an androgenic value.
Not sure how pertinent this is, but it's the only unbiased info that I've seen about it thus far. I have no idea what the differences would be with the C3 ketone vs the C3 OH.
Sorry if I didn't help any :lol:
Z supps is releasing it and it is supposed to be called new Dominance. It was originally called M1,5ad. I have yried quite a few of his products and raws, and they were solid.anybody know what company is releasing it and what they're gonna call it?
that was the case with Oxyguno if i'm not mistaken :think:well not to burst any bubbles but speaking from experience what appears wonderful on paper doesn't always equate to the same in the real world. Time will tell I guess
Yes, you could also look at it as modified d-bol. May actually be more similar to D-bol since its not 5a reduced it can probably aromitize.Does anybody have any thoughts of the double bond of Dbol being moved from the C4 position to the C5 postion? I know this is being compared to M1T, but it is also looks VERY similar to Dbol.
In fact, if you move the double in reverse of what I described above, I believe you would be looking at Dbol (not that that necessarily means anything since structure dictates function).
looks a lot like methandienone (dianabol)- you would just have to change the double bond at 5 to 4- if it was me, I would have added a hydroxyl @ carbon 11 in b position- it will keep it from aromatizing- this stuff will aromatize fairly easily with that structure.....Saw a preview for a new designer on another site. Its M1T with an added 5-6 double bond. Anybody have any ideas about this compound?
3-keto (3-one) will give it a better fit to the AR than the 3-ol (3-hydroxyl)- but skeletal muscle contains a good amt. of 3a-HSD, which can convert 3-one to 3-ol....but this is irreversible, unfortunately, and the 3-ol would be much weaker than the 3-oneNot sure how pertinent this is, but it's the only unbiased info that I've seen about it thus far. I have no idea what the differences would be with the C3 ketone vs the C3 OH.
Sorry if I didn't help any :lol:
won't do much, if anything, to alter potency- I have only seen a couple of AAS that have a double bond at 5- methadriol is one I can think of off the top of my head, and it is weak as fuk (it is a 3,17 diol) and aromatizes fairly easilyDoes anybody have any thoughts of the double bond of Dbol being moved from the C4 position to the C5 postion? I know this is being compared to M1T, but it is also looks VERY similar to Dbol.
In fact, if you move the double in reverse of what I described above, I believe you would be looking at Dbol (not that that necessarily means anything since structure dictates function).
no worries- they were good questionsReps for answering all of the questions of an armchair chemist...okay, I'm not even that
Thanks Rms80!
def. not fun stuff- M1-T was one of those molecules that looked good on paper, but just didn't pan out the way people expected.......now if they had gone with a hydroxyl @ C4, an en @ C4-5, and a ketone @ C3- or even a basal methyltest structure with an OH @ 11b to prevent aromatization- would be a different storyI would much rather it be like dbol then m1t, m1t was rat poison with side effects that far outweighed the benefits
Maybee it was rat poison but it made me stronger than any other steroid that i ever tried including Tren and Test.I would much rather it be like dbol then m1t, m1t was rat poison with side effects that far outweighed the benefits
like methyl dien toodef. not fun stuff- M1-T was one of those molecules that looked good on paper, but just didn't pan out the way people expected......
this is from "Z" right??Saw a preview for a new designer on another site. Its M1T with an added 5-6 double bond. Anybody have any ideas about this compound?
yeah there is no doubt it ****ing delivered in the size/strength department!Maybee it was rat poison but it made me stronger than any other steroid that i ever tried including Tren and Test.
Yesthis is from "Z" right??
is this a straight steroid like superdrol and m1t or does this convert into something?
thats what i was thinking myselfLooks similiar to methyl, 1,4. I wouldn't get too excited about it. Looks like it should give results but nothing close to M1T.
Zsupps has been planning on making a DS of Dbol and I'm pretty sure this is the case here.Does anybody have any thoughts of the double bond of Dbol being moved from the C4 position to the C5 postion? I know this is being compared to M1T, but it is also looks VERY similar to Dbol.
In fact, if you move the double in reverse of what I described above, I believe you would be looking at Dbol (not that that necessarily means anything since structure dictates function).