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    Saw a preview for a new designer on another site. Its M1T with an added 5-6 double bond. Anybody have any ideas about this compound?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD
    The name in Vida would be 17a-methyl-1,5-androstadiene-17b-ol-3-one. The reduced form of it is actually in Vida with a 3 hydroxy. Says it is 1.25 times more anabolic than methyl testosterone but does not give an androgenic value.
    Not sure how pertinent this is, but it's the only unbiased info that I've seen about it thus far. I have no idea what the differences would be with the C3 ketone vs the C3 OH.

    Sorry if I didn't help any
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    No, thats good. Where did you find that? I would have to assume the keto version would be more potent, but were probably looking at least 1.25x stronger then MethylTest...thats a start. Keep it coming guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Not sure how pertinent this is, but it's the only unbiased info that I've seen about it thus far. I have no idea what the differences would be with the C3 ketone vs the C3 OH.

    Sorry if I didn't help any

    the 3-ketone according to PA isnt needed to bind to the AR.

    thats all i know so far.
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    This has a 3-ketone though...

    I was thinking more along the lines of say 4-AD and Testosterone where 4-AD had anabolic activity on its own but not as powerful as testosterone. So if the 3-hydroxy version of this steroid has 1.25x the anabolic potency of MT then hopefully the 3-keto is more powerful
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    well not to burst any bubbles but speaking from experience what appears wonderful on paper doesn't always equate to the same in the real world. Time will tell I guess
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    anybody know what company is releasing it and what they're gonna call it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibanezman08 View Post
    anybody know what company is releasing it and what they're gonna call it?
    Z supps is releasing it and it is supposed to be called new Dominance. It was originally called M1,5ad. I have yried quite a few of his products and raws, and they were solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jminis View Post
    well not to burst any bubbles but speaking from experience what appears wonderful on paper doesn't always equate to the same in the real world. Time will tell I guess
    that was the case with Oxyguno if i'm not mistaken

    please correct me if i'm wrong
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    ...ahh,.. like Oscar nominations; ...the buildup,.. the potential, the speculation...
    Doesn't it make science fun!!??
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    sound intresting
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    Does anybody have any thoughts of the double bond of Dbol being moved from the C4 position to the C5 postion? I know this is being compared to M1T, but it is also looks VERY similar to Dbol.

    In fact, if you move the double in reverse of what I described above, I believe you would be looking at Dbol (not that that necessarily means anything since structure dictates function).
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Does anybody have any thoughts of the double bond of Dbol being moved from the C4 position to the C5 postion? I know this is being compared to M1T, but it is also looks VERY similar to Dbol.

    In fact, if you move the double in reverse of what I described above, I believe you would be looking at Dbol (not that that necessarily means anything since structure dictates function).
    Yes, you could also look at it as modified d-bol. May actually be more similar to D-bol since its not 5a reduced it can probably aromitize.

    And if our body can turn DHEA into Test, then it should convert this to d-bol via the same enzyme.
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    From limited testing and feedback on this, have heard it feels like 1-test with some bloat, still very new, should be available fairly soon, it is cool that it is a completely new compound, and from a very good, although, small company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin View Post
    Saw a preview for a new designer on another site. Its M1T with an added 5-6 double bond. Anybody have any ideas about this compound?
    looks a lot like methandienone (dianabol)- you would just have to change the double bond at 5 to 4- if it was me, I would have added a hydroxyl @ carbon 11 in b position- it will keep it from aromatizing- this stuff will aromatize fairly easily with that structure.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Not sure how pertinent this is, but it's the only unbiased info that I've seen about it thus far. I have no idea what the differences would be with the C3 ketone vs the C3 OH.

    Sorry if I didn't help any
    3-keto (3-one) will give it a better fit to the AR than the 3-ol (3-hydroxyl)- but skeletal muscle contains a good amt. of 3a-HSD, which can convert 3-one to 3-ol....but this is irreversible, unfortunately, and the 3-ol would be much weaker than the 3-one

    it would be really hard to metabolize this down to 3-ol from 3-one b/c of the 4ene- 4-ene has to be reduced before the 3-one can be made into 3-ol
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Does anybody have any thoughts of the double bond of Dbol being moved from the C4 position to the C5 postion? I know this is being compared to M1T, but it is also looks VERY similar to Dbol.

    In fact, if you move the double in reverse of what I described above, I believe you would be looking at Dbol (not that that necessarily means anything since structure dictates function).
    won't do much, if anything, to alter potency- I have only seen a couple of AAS that have a double bond at 5- methadriol is one I can think of off the top of my head, and it is weak as fuk (it is a 3,17 diol) and aromatizes fairly easily

    i think this would make it much more similar to dbol than M1T- the C5 alterations that I have seen DO aromatize to estrogen, and so do the C4's. A 1,4 diene like Dbol aromatizes, but a 1-ene like M1T does not (at least in large amounts, since it is similar to DHT) However, M1T does have progestational activity

    both are going to be a decent fit to the AR, both will probably act on the CNS some, and on glycogen retention- should allow for some good gains- but probably some water retention as well
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    Reps for answering all of the questions of an armchair chemist...okay, I'm not even that
    Thanks Rms80!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Reps for answering all of the questions of an armchair chemist...okay, I'm not even that
    Thanks Rms80!
    no worries- they were good questions
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    I would much rather it be like dbol then m1t, m1t was rat poison with side effects that far outweighed the benefits
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    Quote Originally Posted by jminis View Post
    I would much rather it be like dbol then m1t, m1t was rat poison with side effects that far outweighed the benefits
    def. not fun stuff- M1-T was one of those molecules that looked good on paper, but just didn't pan out the way people expected.......now if they had gone with a hydroxyl @ C4, an en @ C4-5, and a ketone @ C3- or even a basal methyltest structure with an OH @ 11b to prevent aromatization- would be a different story
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    Quote Originally Posted by jminis View Post
    I would much rather it be like dbol then m1t, m1t was rat poison with side effects that far outweighed the benefits
    Maybee it was rat poison but it made me stronger than any other steroid that i ever tried including Tren and Test.
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    Yeah, I wonder if this is going to be as toxic as the original m1t...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms80 View Post
    def. not fun stuff- M1-T was one of those molecules that looked good on paper, but just didn't pan out the way people expected......
    like methyl dien too
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin View Post
    Saw a preview for a new designer on another site. Its M1T with an added 5-6 double bond. Anybody have any ideas about this compound?
    this is from "Z" right??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigchourico View Post
    Maybee it was rat poison but it made me stronger than any other steroid that i ever tried including Tren and Test.
    yeah there is no doubt it ****ing delivered in the size/strength department!
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    this is from "Z" right??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Yes
    is this a straight steroid like superdrol and m1t or does this convert into something?
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    Looks similiar to methyl, 1,4. I wouldn't get too excited about it. Looks like it should give results but nothing close to M1T.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sly View Post
    Looks similiar to methyl, 1,4. I wouldn't get too excited about it. Looks like it should give results but nothing close to M1T.
    thats what i was thinking myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Does anybody have any thoughts of the double bond of Dbol being moved from the C4 position to the C5 postion? I know this is being compared to M1T, but it is also looks VERY similar to Dbol.

    In fact, if you move the double in reverse of what I described above, I believe you would be looking at Dbol (not that that necessarily means anything since structure dictates function).
    Zsupps has been planning on making a DS of Dbol and I'm pretty sure this is the case here.
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    M1t def delivered in terms of results hell at 10mg you gained 10lbs in a week it was crazy. The shutdown and bloodtests I've seen after 1 week were staggering.
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    anymore info on this Zsupps?
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