Keeping Test E and Test P Dry

Lean1038

Lean1038

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I'm looking to run my first recomp AAS cycle and have been considering the following two options to reach my goals of a very lean, cut, and dry 15lbs:

Cycle #1
Weeks 1 - 8: Test Prop @ 125mg M-W-F
Weeks 3 - 8: Masteron @ 100mg M-W-F
Weeks 4 - 9: Winstrol Tabs @ 50mg ED

PCT:
Toremifene (90,60,60,30)
CEL PCT Assist (0,0,4,4,4,4)

OR

Cycle #2
Weeks 1 - 15: Test C @ 200mg M & TH (400mg weekly)
Weeks 1 -14: EQ @ 200mg M & TH (400mg weekly)
Weeks 1 - 6: Turinabol @ 50mg ED
Weeks 12 - 17: Winstrol Tabs @ 50mg ED

PCT:
Clomid (50,50)
Toremifene (90,60,60,30)
CEL PCT Assist (0,0,4,4,4,4)

I'd rather not pin so often with cycle #1 if I can stay just as lean on cycle #2 so my question is:

Diet and factors being equal, would Test C be just as dry as Test P @ 400mg weekly when Aromasin is incorporated @ 12.5 EOD on cycle?

My stats are:
26 years old
Male
5,11"
178lbs
7% BF

I'm starting with a lean base so that should help, but I just want to make lean and maintainable gains during my first run, not looking to add 20-30lbs of fat and water to my frame.

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Thanks.
 
what is ur cycle experience?

both cycles look delicious. but as long as u use an AI on cycle and ur diet is perfect, cycle #2 would be great for cutting
 
nosnmiveins said:
what is ur cycle experience?

both cycles look delicious. but as long as u use an AI on cycle and ur diet is perfect, cycle #2 would be great for cutting
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I've been using PHs such as H Drol, Furazadrol, 11 oxo, and Phera once a year for the past 3 years or so. No AAS experience as of yet which is why I'd like to pin less often...

So you feel my goals could be easily obtained with cycle#2? :)

Would you recommend Proviron on cycle for some "Lean" insurance? Maybe the last 8-10 weeks @ 50mg ED?
 
ok well now that i know u have no cycle experience, i suggest test cyp 400mg/week and choose on oral of choice.

4 compounds in a first cycle is an absolutely HORRIBLE idea.
 
nosnmiveins said:
ok well now that i know u have no cycle experience, i suggest test cyp 400mg/week and choose on oral of choice.

4 compounds in a first cycle is an absolutely HORRIBLE idea.
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Do you feel the gains would still be dry with Aromasin? The only reason I was considering EQ was to minimize water retention.

So maybe:

Weeks 1 - 12: Test C @ 250mg M & TH (500mg weekly)
Weeks 9 - 14: Winstrol Tabs @ 50mg ED
Weeks 1 - 14: Proviron @ 50mg ED
Weeks 3 - 14: Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD If Needed

PCT:
Clomid (50,50)
Toremifene (90,60,60,30)
CEL PCT Assist (0,0,4,4,4,4)
 
either use the proviron or aromasin. if i recall correctly, even though proviron is actually a type of steroid, it acts like and AI and makes test more useful while not letting excess turn into estrogen.

someone correct me if im off.
 
i like cycle 2
run arimidex and that should help you keep the bloat down. i think it's .5mg EOD but don't quote me on that. adex.
 
nosnmiveins said:
either use the proviron or aromasin. if i recall correctly, even though proviron is actually a type of steroid, it acts like and AI and makes test more useful while not letting excess turn into estrogen.

someone correct me if im off.
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That's what I've come across as well... I'm starting with the Proviron for both hardening and estrogen control and putting the Aromasin on standby if that doesn't work like I need it to.

I can get Proviron fairly cheap so I figure I'll give it a shot as it seems to be hit or miss.



ibanezman08 said:
i like cycle 2
run arimidex and that should help you keep the bloat down. i think it's .5mg EOD but don't quote me on that. adex.
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Nice thanks! Right, .25 or .5mg EOD, but I've been informed that Aromasin is just as good without the harsh lipid hit when using orals on cycle. :)


Do you guys feel my PCT is sufficient?
 
nosnmiveins said:
either use the proviron or aromasin. if i recall correctly, even though proviron is actually a type of steroid, it acts like and AI and makes test more useful while not letting excess turn into estrogen.

someone correct me if im off.
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proviron, used for its ai qualities has let myself and many others down, on the other hand its great for keeping libido up in a cycle without test....oh and by the way...my pct choice is
clomid-50/50/50/50
nolva-40/40/20/20
i also like to use restore from alri in conjunction with my nolva and clomid
 
nosnmiveins said:
ok well now that i know u have no cycle experience, i suggest test cyp 400mg/week and choose on oral of choice.

4 compounds in a first cycle is an absolutely HORRIBLE idea.
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Yup yup.. My thinkin too. First cycle go with Test and MAYBE one oral if one has done orals in the past. I seriously don't get the hype of first time pin cycles consisting of 3-4 dif compounds...
 
I like both of them equally as well....the cyp cycle can be a great one without a ton of water if you do it right...I am not a fan of aromasin, as I think it works too well in some people...Arimidex will do the job as well, if not better.

holy
 
holyintellect said:
I like both of them equally as well....the cyp cycle can be a great one without a ton of water if you do it right...I am not a fan of aromasin, as I think it works too well in some people...Arimidex will do the job as well, if not better.

holy
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Interesting... I read that Aromasin was just as good only less harsh on lipids (Favorable on cycle when running orals as well)

Again, this is just what I've been told and can very well be convinced to run Arimidex instead.

LMK fellas and thanks again.
 
Aromasin IS just as good....and for most people BETTER. Thats exactly my point....It can actually work TOO well for some people, and cause estrogen levels to literally vanish. This in turn will reap havoc on your libido, workouts, etc...Generally, arimidex is better because it is certainly strong enough to handle the aromatization, yet it isnt too strong to erase estrogen completely...

holy
 
holyintellect said:
Aromasin IS just as good....and for most people BETTER. Thats exactly my point....It can actually work TOO well for some people, and cause estrogen levels to literally vanish. This in turn will reap havoc on your libido, workouts, etc...Generally, arimidex is better because it is certainly strong enough to handle the aromatization, yet it isnt too strong to erase estrogen completely...

holy
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I see...

So Arimidex + Proviron is more safe than Aromasin + Proviron?

I really want to try the Proviron on cycle and keep things lean. Unless you feel it's unecessary when running an AI?
 
You've got to decide which way you want to go...do you want a chemical to use as a "kickstart", or do you want to use something that will be an integral part of the cycle? Once you answer that, you'll know which way to go.

Proviron has some positive benefits, but in the end I just dont think it pans out and has enough tangible results to justify.

holy
 
holyintellect said:
You've got to decide which way you want to go...do you want a chemical to use as a "kickstart", or do you want to use something that will be an integral part of the cycle? Once you answer that, you'll know which way to go.

Proviron has some positive benefits, but in the end I just dont think it pans out and has enough tangible results to justify.

holy
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I see... I'm really just looking to run whatever is better at building and maintaining lean gains while on the Test.

Whether that's an H Drol kickstart or Proviron throughout, I'm game. :)

It sounds like starting with H Drol and A-Dex throughout would be best with what you've recommended so far. That's also much cheaper I might add.
 
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