- 02-02-2009, 11:26 PM
whats up everyone??
ok so heres the situation... ive ran 2 cycles of epistane back to back and i had great results with the first run, but mediocre results with the second run (more than likely because of running identical compounds back to back). i currently have 2 bottles of Havoc stocked up however i dont want to use it in fear that i will simply be wasting it and not seeing and results due to its similarity to epistane....
i wanted to know if anyone has any recommendations for other PHs i could run? (ill be starting my next cycle in a little less than a month) i was thinking about possibly running H-drol for my first time, but id like to see peoples opinions on that as well as any other recommendations...
- 02-02-2009, 11:28 PM
02-02-2009, 11:33 PM
im looking to lean bulk and hopefully see some nice strength gains, and if possible drop a little stomach fat.
im 5'9 and currently 173 lbs with around 14% bf, im hoping to end the cycle around 185 lbs with a decrease in bf after PCT.
02-02-2009, 11:39 PM
02-02-2009, 11:46 PM
any recommendations for an SD clone, if im not mistaken m-drol is one right?
on a side note, i was planning on stacking MMV2 in my Havoc cycle, could MMV2 be stacked with an SD clone?
02-03-2009, 12:04 AM
02-03-2009, 12:19 AM
you could do havoc/mmv2 or even havoc/furazadrol... m-drol might even be the better choice here though.
02-03-2009, 12:31 AM
havoc/mmv2 was the stack i was originally going to be running, but like i said in my original post im concerned that i will be wasting my havoc and i wont see substantial results by running it back to back with epistane (read above about the back to back epistane run)
thats why im looking for another ph that i could run that is a different compound than epi/havoc so that i will see nice gains and i wont be wasting my money on a pointless cycle...
02-03-2009, 12:32 AM
a 10lbs + weight gain while loosing fat with a pro hormone is wishful thinking.
superdrol is a lot different than epistane bro! make sure you do your research.
but i say conisidering your goals, you're gonna wanna do something strong so i suggest superdrol.
02-03-2009, 12:33 AM
you not going to gain 12lbs and lose body fat with any oral steroid in a month if you do I'll tip my hat to you.
02-03-2009, 12:36 AM
hahah im not so concerned with the weight loss while on the cycle, im pretty good about shedding extra lbs/fat so it should be no problem to burn it off after the cycle...
as far as research goes ive done plenty of it (im on this site on average 3-4 hrs a day LOL) im just a little timid about trying new compounds, so i was just looking for recommendations.
02-03-2009, 12:38 AM
oh you meant after the cycle
after PCT, keep calories and carbs high for at least 6 weeks because it is this peroid after PCT where most people change their diet and end up loosing their gains. at least this is what i have been observing.
02-03-2009, 12:40 AM
alright im just going to clarify now so that theres no more comments regarding it (should have been clearer with my original posting)...
im looking for recommendations for PHs that i can run that i will see results on and not have to be worried about the fact that i am running after an epistane cycle, as i ran 2 epistane cycles back to back and did not see very good results from the second run... (i am preferably trying to avoid wet compounds)
02-03-2009, 12:43 AM
02-03-2009, 12:45 AM
02-03-2009, 12:46 AM
two cycles back to back? no wonder you didn't gain much from the second cycle.
i would take at least 10 weeks off between cycles.
02-03-2009, 12:50 AM
OH NOOOO HAHAHAH i didnt mean like a week apart back to back lol, i ran the first cycle last september and the second one mid december, there was substantial time in between the cycles. i just meant that i ran the same compounds in 2 consecutive cycles and i felt like it really stunted the effects on the second run...
02-03-2009, 12:50 AM
02-03-2009, 12:53 AM
02-03-2009, 12:55 AM
02-03-2009, 01:04 AM
02-03-2009, 01:07 AM
02-03-2009, 01:11 AM
alright cool i was leaning more towards 5 myself, so as far as dosing goes would it be ok to do something like 30/30/40/40/50 or 30/40/40/40/40 or 50 given that its my first time using the compound?
02-03-2009, 01:14 AM
Depending on the pill sizes (come in 15 and 10 depending where u buy), I'd go:
I'd pay attention to the weight gains though. If they are remaining good, i'd keep week 4 at 30, and if they still remained good through week 4, i'd stay at 30 through week 5. You want to take the minimum effective dosage...
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