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Monsterbox's Monster-Drol (new thread from the 13pger)

monsterbox

monsterbox

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Decided to start a new thread

I tried P-Plex for 3 weeks and it did nothing. My friend is trying my bottle now and its not doing much for him either. My conclusion is bad bottle.

I switched to M-Drol exactly 8 days ago.

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Supports:
Cissus Bulk - Pre/On/Off 5g/day morning/night
Bulk 1-Carboxy (Powerfull) - Pre/On 1/3tsp morning/night
Hawthorne Berries - 560mg - Pre/on 2x day
B6 - 50mg 3x day pre/on
Fish Oil - 10g Pre/On/Off daily
Milk Thistle - 1000mg Pre/On/Off daily

PCT:
Toremifene Citrate - 90/60/60/30
Reversitol - 0/0/3/2/2/2/1

Standby:
Maca Root
P-5-P
Ejaculoid
Viagra

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Starting Weight: 184.5 (on creatine) >>>dropped to 181.5 immediately after starting p-plex
Arms: 15.5in Left, 15in Right
Body Fat Pinch Test: 13.2% on a very carb loaded day (+/- 3% according to trainer)

Goals: 16in left and right Lol...more than likely right will still be 1/2in behind, Weight: 190-195

Diet: Just trust me, I eat enough...maybe not completely consistent every day but I cram at least 4500+ cals on workout days.

Routine:
Monday - Chest/Triceps - DB or BB bench (change every 4 weeks), Incline DB/BB, Tricep Pushdown/kickbacks/close grip/Dips (change all these up every week or two)

Tuesday - Heavy Squats for low reps high weight, Leg Presses, Chinup/Pullups/Abs

Wednesday - Shoulders - Millitary Press, Shoulder Press DB, Lat Raises Cables, Front Raises DB, Rear Delt Machine/Cables

Thursday - Off

Fri - Back/Biceps - Pulls up, Cable Rows, Lat Machines, Dead Lifts, Pull Downs, Iso Lat Cable Pulldowns, Straight Bar Curls, BB Curls..Change it up every time

FOCUS: Going to stay in to 9-11 rep range with this cycle and my last few months have been 5-6 rep range. I'm focusing on form, blood flow, and complete failure. Maximize hypertrophy and not worrying much about strength this cycle. I have a cartlidge issue with my elbow making low rep strength training a bad idea with dry steroids.


And for all the wussies that can't post before and after pictures and claim 20lbs weight gains..heres the photos

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Current Back Shot

Day 1-4:
Insomnia, Anxiety, Strange Emotions, Hardening, and Weight Loss (water)

Day 5:
One of the most harcore back/bi workouts of my life. Pumps equivalent to 2 weeks of RPN Havoc. Side Effects: Emotional Instability and Insomnia

Weight: 186.5 (lots of water this day)

Day 6-7: Emotional Sides/Anxiety cleared up for the most part and able to sleep again. Most likely due to mody body adjusting. Weight: 182-184

Day 8: will update tonight
 
Monster

subbed to your new thread here man.

I dig the way you post the details of all aspects of the cycle thumbs up for the VERY clear pics to show your work!!!

Good for you to have the balls to post them man.

I need to get more than my 3 gun pics myself.

GOOD LUCK with this currrent m-drol cycle.

Following right along!


boo
 
You know I will join. You have come a long way and I know you will be one big mofo at this pace. Keep it up bro and I hope the M-Drol treats you right.
 
damnit my friend wanted me to try one of his ephedra pills...its called Tri-Matrix. I just took one about an hour ago and am about to work out. I normally need like 400mg of caffeine to get me going. This only has 200mg and 25mg of Ephedra but its the plant not the synthetic.

HOLY SH*T. I'm shaking like a coke addict. I can't decide if this is good bad or terrible. OMG!! I can't even type. I"m either going to throw up SERIOUS weight in a few minutes or have a heart attack. NEVER doing this again on steroids...my BP has been 125/66 the past few days but it doesn't matter this is REDICULOUS...talk about ENERGY.
 
try to get some gum the next time you try that stuff. Im sure youd like having something to chew on if its that strong.
 
Day 8:Chest

wow...ephedra killed my workout.

My pumps were pretty damn good, but they disappeared quickly and I kept loosing all the water I was drinking. Must have been the diuretic properties/vasoconstriction of the ephedra. My system was going so fast that I became light headed during sets and lost focus/ability to absorb enough oxygen. My low rep strength was definitely there, but my ability to endure the rest of the set was completely shot. BAD idea for working out. Im probably going to stay away from stims for a while.

I did not set any PR's today..however I switched back to barbell bench was a little pissed as it was much harder than it used to be...definitely felt like a shock to the muscles.

Pumps disappeared quickly and did not stick after the workout...it has to be the ephedra. I also feel sick to my stomach. Don't ever use this stuff for a workout. Only use it for cardio and weight loss.

Weight: 183.5

Im noticing the pumps/redness/veins/hardness, but when are the strength and weight gains going to roll in guys? Whats the time expectancy? I'm bumping up the dosage to 15mg now.
 
TexasLifter89 said:
dude your up 5 Pounds already right? I believe those are weight gains....
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not solid...one days average was 186.5, these past few days have been around 182. Its not mirror noticeable. I've been taking pics every day and I'm not posting any because you really can't tell any difference. The flucuation is surely glycogen/water bloat levels.

I've noticed 1 thing: I killed my biceps on day 5 (when the pumps/endurance hit). Today I was able to rep 45db curls for fun pretty easily after my chest workout. I think next week chest will be a significant improvement. It looks like its taking a full cycle of muscle groups to kick up the strength/weight.
 
Subbed on for the run to the finish..
Bro, I thought guys have told you to lose the stims while on cycle? Your BP is holding up for running the Phera first though..
End of week two and into the start of week three on the SD and I bet gains will hit you like a ton of bricks.. if you run it that long..
Decide how long you gonna run the SD..
 
So u finally went with the mdrol lol, good luck to ya man, that sux bout the phera, did u totally drop it, I didn't gdt my gains till like the end of the 3rd week and through the 4th, I wish I ran it for 5 weeks. Keep up the hard work

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haha is monsterdrol actually a clone? lol

To the above posters, I took phera for 3 weeks...it did absolutely nothing and my BP dropped from the hawthorne berry. I decided to stop instead of continue into 4 weeks because it was seriously wasting my time, I really didn't anticipate any gains. My friend took it for 6 days at 20/mg and hasn't noticed a single thing.

I've been checking my BP and it hasn't moved much on superdrol so far. I do not plan to use stim when my BP moves...I checked it today when I was coming off of the ephedra, and my pulse was 90, but my BP was fine. Anyhow, the stims suck ass and it seems like everytime they leave a lasting anxiety on the superdrol for the rest of the day.

According to cycle length, Ill continue if I start seeing real gains by the end of this second week. If I don't see any noticeable building effect by the end of this week, Ill prob stop at 14 days and lay off for a while, let my body reset from steroids. If I do notice gains Ill continue until shutdown becomes noticeable and possibly problematic.
 
you will most likely jump on the weight the next time around.. guarnteed if you push hard you will be so suprised with how much weight you can actuallu push .. and will most likely set PRs unless your overtraining...
 
bigzach1234 said:
you will most likely jump on the weight the next time around.. guarnteed if you push hard you will be so suprised with how much weight you can actuallu push .. and will most likely set PRs unless your overtraining...
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hmm..maybe I should just go ahead and save my HPTA and close this thing up. Wait about 6 months and come at it again...I really feel like my body's taken a beating after phera for 3 weeks (I had anxiety from it) and superdrol for a week.

I could probably get away with a week of the SERM and bottle of reversitol
 
subbed....

Be patient on the strength gains. From quite a few I've heard you gain weight first, the strength follows. I'm on day 6 of Designer Supplements Superdrol and I've gained 6 lbs but no strength gains yet. I've had a few killer blood pressure headaches but the Hawthorn & Celery Seed have worked wonders. I'm right here with ya bro. Lets tear it up. I'll be following. Cheers, angel77
 
Monsterdrol hehe

Have you gotten any bloodwork recently? If its cool, and you feel up to it, but sounds like you have taken a beaten, as you said, Id continue on but as bigzach says and I agree, this decision is totally up to you.

AAS/PHs will always be around if you decide to end the cycle.



boo
 
jesus christ, I'm sick of this emotional sh*t. These steroids are really messing with me...havoc didn't do this at all.

Last night I took that ephedra pill, I've taken 25mg w/ 200mg of caffeine before and it didn't bother me...I tried another last night to add some kicks to my chest workout and it really amped me up.

I felt fine and my BP was fine but I definitely had some anxiety for the rest of the night. Sounds like pussy crap I know, trust me I feel like a b*tch. I stayed up the entire night and I only slept 4 hours the night before. I've got some major insomnia.

Its now 10:00am and I took the ephedra plus the exta 10mg of SD at 4:00pm yesterday. I haven't slept an hour and my stomach is in a not even though my head feels like it wants to pass out. Worst thing is I have NO appetite and I'm crapping/pissing constantly. Its hard to hold water down without feeling sick...its like I feel so nervous I'm sick yet not nervous...Must be a reaction to running 20mg.

I feel like a damn hypoglycemic murderous/suicidal zombie w/ Andrenal Overload and Seratonin Depletion. I need to force the carbs and sleep, somehow, soon.

My weight dropped down to 177lb overnight!!!!!! I've been trying to drink water.

Soap Opera again.

In all vaginal seriousness guys, I want to badly to run a straight no-b.s. cycle, but I got some major mental issues on this stuff. Looking back at posts p-plex worked in the fact that it made me PARANOID and SD is making me Insomnia/Paranoid.

I think its in my best interest to lay off, get back in decent natural shape/feeling, get a blood test, get clean, and come back with passion/drive/motivation. Im just sick of being paranoid.

So what should I do for a PCT?

I have 21 reversitol pill and Toremifene Citrate. What do I need order or dose for 8 days of SD and 3 weeks of PP? (real/not unknown)
 
Monster that all sucks bro-- sorry to hear this but maybe you should cut out Ephedra all together. Its def. not mixing well obviously with the others and your chemistry.


Heres a list of Ephedra sides:


Possible Side Effects of Ephedra


nausea

headache; dizziness

irritation of the stomach; diarrhea

anxiety; psychosis

kidney stones

tremors

dry mouth

irregular or rapid heart rhythms; heart damage

high blood pressure

restlessness; nervousness; sleeping problems

decreased appetite

flushing; sweating

increased urination



Hope you feel better bro and do what bests for you.


boo
 
Why don't you keep the SD going and lay off the Ephedra. I really don't think you need it for working out, it has never helped me.

Once i did a particularly stimmed up workout (600mg caffeine 40mg ephedra) and i think my recovery may have been slightly improved but that doesn't matter, it didn't help out my weight or reps.

Maybe keep SD at 10 and just keep going, bump to 20 when you've stabilized. Again, **** the ephedra, get some sleep. If you PCT now it's like 4 weeks down the drain.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Why don't you keep the SD going and lay off the Ephedra. I really don't think you need it for working out, it has never helped me.

Once i did a particularly stimmed up workout (600mg caffeine 40mg ephedra) and i think my recovery may have been slightly improved but that doesn't matter, it didn't help out my weight or reps.

Maybe keep SD at 10 and just keep going, bump to 20 when you've stabilized. Again, **** the ephedra, get some sleep. If you PCT now it's like 4 weeks down the drain.
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exactly -- agree with you as I wrote above--- that ephedra is like speed--
 
I would not drop the cycle myself. I would stop taking the additional caffine and ephedra and let the M-Drol work for you. You have really not been on cycle that long and there are several bridges people have ran with 4 weeks of P-Plex and 3 weeks of M-Drol with no issues. I say stick it out, drop the stims and grow.

Then take plenty of time off between cycles and you should be straight.
 
monsterbox said:
haha is monsterdrol actually a clone? lol

To the above posters, I took phera for 3 weeks...it did absolutely nothing and my BP dropped from the hawthorne berry. I decided to stop instead of continue into 4 weeks because it was seriously wasting my time, I really didn't anticipate any gains. My friend took it for 6 days at 20/mg and hasn't noticed a single thing.

I've been checking my BP and it hasn't moved much on superdrol so far. I do not plan to use stim when my BP moves...I checked it today when I was coming off of the ephedra, and my pulse was 90, but my BP was fine. Anyhow, the stims suck ass and it seems like everytime they leave a lasting anxiety on the superdrol for the rest of the day.

According to cycle length, Ill continue if I start seeing real gains by the end of this second week. If I don't see any noticeable building effect by the end of this week, Ill prob stop at 14 days and lay off for a while, let my body reset from steroids. If I do notice gains Ill continue until shutdown becomes noticeable and possibly problematic.
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there are 2 monsterdrol's actually. 1 is just a superdrol clone, and the other is a phera and tren clone i think
 
I think you should just come off if it's giving you all the problems. cutting a cycle short is not big deal done it lots of times when i felt my body needed it. it may seem like a waste or whatever but this is a long time ask heavy iron or myself or anyone else who's been doing this for YEARS... LISTEN to your body there is always another cycle.
 
Since the P-Plex result was discussed in the original post and in the previous thread, I wanted to say that we got the test result back from the P-Plex batch that was being questioned. Once again, for the third time it tested out at 99.9% purity, same as it did the previous two times it was tested. That is two seperate labs coming up with the same result, one of the labs coming up with it twice. Fact is, not everything works for everyone, and we get questioned about quality alot, but we go out or our way far more than any other company that I know of to prove that our items are what they are supposed to be.

Anyone that is overly worried about the batch, I will be glad to switch it out with them (sealed bottles only). PM me if need be. However, as stated, the batch has been tested 3 times now.

Please, lets not discuss and take away from his thread now. Anyone can PM me with any questions.
 
ITS NOT THE EPHEDRA OR THE CAFFEINE...!!!

I found out this pill included hoodia...I'm extremely sensative to it...

Hoodia is under lawsuit as many have DIED from taking it...its extremely diuretic and supresses appetite. Causes extremely low blood sugar levels (hence my anxiety all night) and dehydrate without causing thirst. (water weight loss of 6lbs!)

Its finally starting to wear off now...I'm loading my ass up on Powerade and Pasta. OMG A TERRIBLE night. DONT EVER TOUCH THIS STUFF. Especially with SD. WOW I"M A DUMBASS

I thought the pill was only E and C. I've used E and C successfully numerous times.

I rarely use Eph on-cycle. I've used 25mg one time on havoc to set some bench PR's.
 
monsterbox said:
ITS NOT THE EPHEDRA OR THE CAFFEINE...!!!

I found out this pill included hoodia...I'm extremely sensative to it...

Hoodia is under lawsuit as many have DIED from taking it...its extremely diuretic and supresses appetite. Causes extremely low blood sugar levels (hence my anxiety all night) and dehydrate without causing thirst. (water weight loss of 6lbs!)

Its finally starting to wear off now...I'm loading my ass up on Powerade and Pasta. OMG A TERRIBLE night. DONT EVER TOUCH THIS STUFF. Especially with SD.

I thought the pill was only E and C. I've used E and C successfully numerous times.
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Dude... I understand your work ethic and the fact you want to get bigger, but you are going nuts... I would get off this cycle and save it for later.
 
MONSTER, I don't think you should mix stims with Superdrol. I actually used a stim : Gakick with my hdrol cycle and i was fine - I'm guessing with Superdrol, it's another ball game.

If I were you I'd stay on the sdrol, WITHOUT anything else except of course your liver support supps and protein.

See how it works for another 5-7 days. If you still can't handle it, just kick it alltogether and go back to the basics...protein, creatine, amino acids...for 3 months.

That's my .02
 
guapitomark said:
MONSTER, I don't think you should mix stims with Superdrol. I actually used a stim : Gakick with my hdrol cycle and i was fine - I'm guessing with Superdrol, it's another ball game.

If I were you I'd stay on the sdrol, WITHOUT anything else except of course your liver support supps and protein.

See how it works for another 5-7 days. If you still can't handle it, just kick it alltogether and go back to the basics...protein, creatine, amino acids...for 3 months.

That's my .02
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theres just too many factors now...i'm probably going to kick it. I keep getting this anxiety pains in my stomach which I can't tell if its anxiety or hypoglycemia. My weight is all over the board. I'm having flu symptoms every other day. I haven't slept a full night since the start of the cycle.

I'm fucusing on getting clean right now so I can get to the bottom of my issue.


Its been 24hrs since the Stim and SD pills, I still can't even think about food it makes me sick to my stomach. I can't drink water fast at all. Im nervous as hell. I hope the SD is out of my system soon...I'm guessing a few days?
 
monsterbox said:
theres just too many factors now...i'm probably going to kick it. I keep getting this anxiety pains in my stomach which I can't tell if its anxiety or hypoglycemia. My weight is all over the board. I'm having flu symptoms every other day. I haven't slept a full night since the start of the cycle.

I'm fucusing on getting clean right now so I can get to the bottom of my issue.


Its been 24hrs since the Stim and SD pills, I still can't even think about food it makes me sick to my stomach. I can't drink water fast at all. Im nervous as hell. I hope the SD is out of my system soon...I'm guessing a few days?
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Wow! Sorry to hear that Monster. It's your body, so you're the best judge. Just kick it and take a break. I'm in PCT right now from my hrol cycle.

I was thinking of doing SD in June, but maybe I should do a Havoc cycle b4!!

You had a great log going - thanks for sharing it with us, bro!
 
monsterbox said:
you guys think I should do the toremifene for pct or use the reversitol? I dont feel shutdown
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If your not gonna run any more M-Drol I'd run at least Toremifene for 2 weeks and then dose the reversitol starting 3rd week. Better to be safe than sorry. It's not overkill but precautious bro. Recoup and come back strong man. Cheers... Just my opinion man.
 
monsterbox said:
you guys think I should do the toremifene for pct or use the reversitol? I dont feel shutdown
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Monsterbox-

you can be shutdown without feeling it
a blood test will verify all

I felt fine and my bloodwork didnt say so; on PCT now-- wish it were torem though-- was a bit $$ for me so went with nolva
 
angel77 said:
If your not gonna run any more M-Drol I'd run at least Toremifene for 2 weeks and then dose the reversitol starting 3rd week. Better to be safe than sorry. It's not overkill but precautious bro. Recoup and come back strong man. Cheers... Just my opinion man.
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exactly what I am doing


here is neoborns graph here----


thank you neoborn!
 

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boo99 said:
exactly what I am doing


here is neoborns graph here----


thank you neoborn!
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how is that graph supposed to be read? Start high with the serm and then ramp down. I don't think you want to go from low dose AI to high do ya? I've always seen it dosed high and then pyramid down to a small dose by the end. Serm for 1st 2 to 3 weeks PCT and then start your AI (say 6XO) at 4 caps a day then going down to 3 caps and finishing with 2 caps on the last week.
I just want to figure out what neoborn is explaining with this. Cheers, angel77
 
angel77 said:
how is that graph supposed to be read? Start high with the serm and then ramp down. I don't think you want to go from low dose AI to high do ya? I've always seen it dosed high and then pyramid down to a small dose by the end. Serm for 1st 2 to 3 weeks PCT and then start your AI (say 6XO) at 4 caps a day then going down to 3 caps and finishing with 2 caps on the last week.
I just want to figure out what neoborn is explaining with this. Cheers, angel77
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Just as it looks. When the SERMS are tapering down, the AIs are tapering up.

Well I guess the whole page of his should have been quoted here instead of just the graph.

Look at reply #3 in this thread and he explains it---


Its done to keep the estrogen under control cause theres talk of test going too high and excaberating the gyno issue. As the SERM dose gets lower, the AI gets higher-- is basically what the graph says-------Heres a portion of it:



"1. You will most likely want to run your AI (Formestane) for a month or so after finishing your PCT therapy to make sure you experience no estrogen rebound / flooding. If you run your PCT for four weeks, as you ramp down on your SERM etc ramp up on your Formestane / AI so, to as keep your estrogen under control. There has been talk of SERMs actually exacerbating this problem due to kicking test up too high then *boom!* man boobs!

2. Once done your PCT, and AI time ramp it down slowly until about one month after PCT"
 
Elevated Liver Numbers

Took my last 10mg dosage 48 hours ago. I had a blood test 24hrs ago.

AST - (10-24 range) - 284
ALT. (10-40 range) - 523

Are the numbers super elevated because SD is still in my system? Is this normal....maybe this relates to my loss appetite and stomach anxiety


Continue to dose toremifene?

You guys think I tend to over think things...these levels just indicate serious business. Will toremifene contribute to further damage? Should I just use reversitol for now and save tore/tam for problems w/ gyno if they arrise?
 
monsterbox said:
you guys think I should do the toremifene for pct or use the reversitol? I dont feel shutdown
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"i dont feel shutdown", God i hear that wayyyy too much. You used superdrol and you used phera. If the phera was legit like the tests show then you already are shutdown. If the phera for some reason was bunk (highly doubt) the nine days of sdrol probably did you anyway. I told you SD will make you feel like trash. Use a SERM, stop taking chances. Now you know you need to straighten things out for a long time before you go back on. If you decide to go back on soon then youll probably end up with a slew of problems again. Youve got plenty of time and room to grow....be smart and go back to your creatine :)
 
monsterbox said:
wow...ephedra killed my workout.

My pumps were pretty damn good, but they disappeared quickly and I kept loosing all the water I was drinking. Must have been the diuretic properties/vasoconstriction of the ephedra. My system was going so fast that I became light headed during sets and lost focus/ability to absorb enough oxygen. My low rep strength was definitely there, but my ability to endure the rest of the set was completely shot. BAD idea for working out. Im probably going to stay away from stims for a while.

I did not set any PR's today..however I switched back to barbell bench was a little pissed as it was much harder than it used to be...definitely felt like a shock to the muscles.

Pumps disappeared quickly and did not stick after the workout...it has to be the ephedra. I also feel sick to my stomach. Don't ever use this stuff for a workout. Only use it for cardio and weight loss.

Weight: 183.5

Im noticing the pumps/redness/veins/hardness, but when are the strength and weight gains going to roll in guys? Whats the time expectancy? I'm bumping up the dosage to 15mg now.
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Keep the dose around 20-25 with Epherda, real epherda is pretty potent **** and it has caffeine and white willow bark (aspirin) so its your basic ECA stack. I run it 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off when I decide to do it. I stopped this last time due to BP raises, which it will raise the **** out of it and I had mad energy in the gym but at night I was having chest pains so I listen to my body and stop it.
 
monsterbox said:
jesus christ, I'm sick of this emotional sh*t. These steroids are really messing with me...havoc didn't do this at all.

Last night I took that ephedra pill, I've taken 25mg w/ 200mg of caffeine before and it didn't bother me...I tried another last night to add some kicks to my chest workout and it really amped me up.

I felt fine and my BP was fine but I definitely had some anxiety for the rest of the night. Sounds like pussy crap I know, trust me I feel like a b*tch. I stayed up the entire night and I only slept 4 hours the night before. I've got some major insomnia.

Its now 10:00am and I took the ephedra plus the exta 10mg of SD at 4:00pm yesterday. I haven't slept an hour and my stomach is in a not even though my head feels like it wants to pass out. Worst thing is I have NO appetite and I'm crapping/pissing constantly. Its hard to hold water down without feeling sick...its like I feel so nervous I'm sick yet not nervous...Must be a reaction to running 20mg.

I feel like a damn hypoglycemic murderous/suicidal zombie w/ Andrenal Overload and Seratonin Depletion. I need to force the carbs and sleep, somehow, soon.

My weight dropped down to 177lb overnight!!!!!! I've been trying to drink water.

Soap Opera again.

In all vaginal seriousness guys, I want to badly to run a straight no-b.s. cycle, but I got some major mental issues on this stuff. Looking back at posts p-plex worked in the fact that it made me PARANOID and SD is making me Insomnia/Paranoid.

I think its in my best interest to lay off, get back in decent natural shape/feeling, get a blood test, get clean, and come back with passion/drive/motivation. Im just sick of being paranoid.

So what should I do for a PCT?

I have 21 reversitol pill and Toremifene Citrate. What do I need order or dose for 8 days of SD and 3 weeks of PP? (real/not unknown)
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Cut the epherda it will give you anxiety. I know first hand I have been taking anxiety meds since 18 and well I'm now 35. Redline Extreme gets me ****ing amped and I really like that stuff
 
Silver3CSRT8 said:
I would not drop the cycle myself. I would stop taking the additional caffine and ephedra and let the M-Drol work for you. You have really not been on cycle that long and there are several bridges people have ran with 4 weeks of P-Plex and 3 weeks of M-Drol with no issues. I say stick it out, drop the stims and grow.

Then take plenty of time off between cycles and you should be straight.
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He may need the caffeine which it seems he is fine with bec the Superdrol will probably get him lethargic. I bet anything its the combo of epherda and Superdol which those 2 can knock your BP way way up! Drop the epherda, its a cutting agent anyways and I thought you were bulking, it will be a stumbling block for you bro.
 
Personally, when I start to have problems on cycle, I lay off, get clean for a couple of months and then plan another cycle. On my last h-drol cycle, my BP got dangerously high so I opted to end early. I decided that if I opt to finish what I have left, I'll really try to preload the otc BP support and have some lisinopril on hand incase it happens again. Thats just my 2 cents. This sh!t isn't worth any serious complications, just to drag the cycle out for another week.
 
did half of you guys not notice Iquit because my liver enzymes were in the 200's and 500's????????????

AND my reason for skipping the toremifene was because I dont want Jaundice? Hello?
 
dude you arent ready for steroids. how old are you honestly? Ah you wouldnt say right?
People are making gains from the Pplex batch you complained about and i have a hard time believing even a nonresponder (if there is such a thing) would not get effects with 50mg which i believe you went up to. Sounds to me like you cant decipher changes to your body. Idk i find it hard to believe the pplex did nothing when experienced & bigger guys take 30mg and get gains. :think: You never made it clear that you quit the cycle you said "youre probably gonna kick it". You never made it clear on your torem doses either so dont start posting your ?????????????? and your Hello's? when we are trying to help. What, your doctor didnt say anything about your liver values? wtf.
 
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