7a OHN Do we have a winner here?

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  1. Originally posted by 2gcorey
    "The rule of thumb to take 0.125 mg/pound of body weight daily has proven successful in clinical tests. The tablets are normally taken two to three times daily after meals thus assuring an optimal absorption of the substance"

    would the same rules apply for this product?

    example: a person weighing 200 pounds would need 25mg daily of Oxandrolone

    but if 5mg 7a-OHN = 50mg Oxandrolone

    that would only mean 2.5mg
    That dosage of oxandrolone is too low. Anavar is my favorite aas and i have used it numerous times. The lowest I would suggest any MALE to take would be 30mg but ideally 40-50mg would be better. Since it is restricted by cost and legitimacy people often do not take enough or are taking stuff that is fake.


  2. Are you saying that 10-20mg of 7a-ohn are not enough?
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  3. Originally posted by Jergo
    Are you saying that 10-20mg of 7a-ohn are not enough?
    No. I do not know how much of this product you should take but 10-20mg seems like a good starting point.

    I was just trying to point out that 25mg of anavar is not a particularly potent dosage. I know women who use 20mg of anavar ed.

  4. i have found that even higher doses of Var work better, 60-80mg, but of course most cant afford the price. The 7A-4OHN is not my product. I will be bringing out 17a-4OHN, and yes my price will be lower. I wont release any price info for it until after the test results are done by the end of next week.
    As for dosing, if you weigh under 200lbs i would start with 5mg and work your way up if needed each week. Above 200 i would start with 10mg and try to increase each week by 5mg till you are around 20-30mg. You have to remember that even though in Vida it is said to be 10 times stronger then Anavar, it may not be relative. For instance, it may be 10 times stronger as compared 1mg to 10mg. But that dosent mean that 10mg is the same as 100mg. Also it dosent mean 10 times the amount of muscle either. All of these questions will have to be answered as more people get to test it. And as soon as it is ready to be tested I will let everyone know.

  5. Sweet, thanx for the explanation brother, can't wait till it comes out.

  6. Designer Supps, I didn't quite get your previous post, isn't methyl-4OHN and 17aa-4OHN the same thing??

  7. And what is the main difference between 7a-4OHN vs 17a-4OHN anyway??

  8. ok, Methyl-4OHN and 17a-4OHN are the same. 7a means that it was methylated in the 7th position instead of 17. which means it is less liver toxic and not as strong. you can also do a 1a methylation like what is done with Primo. did this help?

  9. Yeah, I think that pretty much explained it bro. I'm guessing that it will have descent estrogen properties too right? Or am I wrong? I thought that it would besomewhat like 4-AD?

    IOW, do you think it will be a fairly dry compound, or cause a bit of water retention. I'm hoping it acts like 4-AD myself.

    Make sure you post here when you get the lab assays bro!!

  10. No it is nothing like 4ad.... i think you may be confused..... it is 4-hydroxynandrolone whcih many companies are marketing as a legal/oral deca but this comparison is not accurate...
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  11. it has nandrolone in the name!!!!

    i wish legal deca is true

  12. there should be no estrogen or progesterone sides (according to theories of 4 hydroxy's).
    Jergo, if that is what you are looking for you may want to think about trying M4AD or M4OHT.
    And as soon as the test are in I will post it. I have to say that the 4AD prop, 5AA cyp, M5AA and M1T came out great, so I have no reason to believe these wont either.

  13. Originally posted by Designer Supps
    there should be no estrogen or progesterone sides (according to theories of 4 hydroxy's).
    Jergo, if that is what you are looking for you may want to think about trying M4AD or M4OHT.
    And as soon as the test are in I will post it. I have to say that the 4AD prop, 5AA cyp, M5AA and M1T came out great, so I have no reason to believe these wont either.
    Wow, now I am confused. I thought that we were talking about only (2) compounds here, being 17a-4OHN and 7a-4OHN, and in which the only difference was where the methylation took place. and that M-4OHN was the same as well.

    Sorry, guess I'm not too good with the different names. Can you tell me what is going on then?

    And the M-4OHN is what I'm looking for right? So, are you going to be carrying that also? If I'm gonna pin anything, I'm just gonna do the real thing, in response to the 4-AD prop.

    Thanx for your help.

  14. Man, I reread and did a search and I'm surprised there are so many compounds coming out. I think I'll be more interested in M-4-OHT vs OHN.

    How does OHN avoid estrogen/[progestational (sp?) sides? What does the theory look like?

  15. Lets see if I can straighten this out some, when i was typing M4OHN i am referring to the compound I am working on and will be bringing out which is 17a-4OHN.

    4-OHN is a highly anabolic / androgenic hormone that possesses unique characteristics that can be altered depending upon the type of modification such as 17-alpha alkylation or side chain attachment of long chain ester or ether. Some of these unique characteristics include enhanced anabolism, inhibition of estrogen biosynthesis, no progestational conversion, no estrogenic conversion, and no sodium retention.

    Its should be 27 times more anabolic then Methyl test (which is the standard for oral delivery)

  16. This is definetly going to be a great compound, and with sledge you can be sure you will get teh highest quality and service.

  17. Here is the info from Vida
    17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-estra-4,9 dien-3-one
    v.p. s.v. l.a. standard
    30 30 130 17a-MT
    200 300 1000 17a-MT oral

    .....M14ADD, M4OHN, M1T, M5AA, M4OHT and M-Dien inside 2 weeks
    I should have mentioned I also read your above post at mm hence my interest in m-4oht. Do you have vida numbers for all your compounds (every self-respecting peddlar of research chem should ?

  18. Here's a simplified explanation of the two:

    • Both share the 4-hydroxy substituent.
      If trends hold, this means they will have significant anti-estrogen properties.
    • Both have very good AA ratios.
    • Both are VERY anabolic.
      M-4OHN will most likely trump M-4OHT in the anabolic department but that is not to say M-4OHT will be an inferior compound. It's all in how you use it.


    I would be interested to explore the possible use of M-4OHT in a bridge scenario. Or, M-4OHN used as a low dose cutting agent (strictly for minimizing mass wasting). The possibilites are abound...it's up to you bros to find the best application.

    Chemo

  19. Originally posted by MarcusG
    I should have mentioned I also read your above post at mm hence my interest in m-4oht. Do you have vida numbers for all your compounds (every self-respecting peddlar of research chem should ?
    Where did you get those Vida values? That chemical name is NOT M-4OHN.

    Chemo

  20. Originally posted by Chemo
    possible use of M-4OHT in a bridge scenario.
    You wound me when you speak those words.

    For answers to board issues, read the Suggestion and News forum at the bottom of the main page.

  21. I don't know what compound Sledgehammer is referring to in the Vida numbers. I just cut and pasted a post from mm.

  22. Its one of the other new Methyls I got a sample of and have been working on. Bruce Kneller wanted some info for it, so I posted it. Its insane (on paper anyway) it will be like the baby cousin of methyltrienolone. I have had my chem house working overtime so that i can get some of these within the next few weeks.
    personally i think that the M4OHN, used in smaller amounts will stack great with M5AA for precontest. By using small amounts of it, with no water retention from either compound, no chance of estrogen or proegsterone, you may actually be able to add 2-3lbs of muscle while deiting and not loosing your strength or your mind while on low cals.

    For the 4-OHT bridge which is a great idea, you could add small amounts of gh or igf1 and between5-10iu insulin postworkout days only.

    And the Vida is good for some rough numbers, although there are better books for steroid structures, but there are definite differences between real world and paper. But as long as we have all those great lab rats out there we can always test them and see what truly is great.

  23. When you say bridging do you mean using these supps between cycles?

  24. wow soo much information lol.. im trying to soak it up .. thanks for the infor designer supps!
    PharmD

  25. Originally posted by yelis300
    When you say bridging do you mean using these supps between cycles?
    It's a controversial topic but one that needs to be explored and researched by experienced users. Up until now there really hasn't been a suitable compound for experimentation but the latest compounds may make that a reality.

    New thread?

    Chemo

  26. ...Can these compounds be used by itself for lean bulking? Perhaps stacked with 4ad?

  27. listen everyone, i just bought 7a-ohn so thats the best! i paid a lot so thats the best. i'm excited so thats the best. lets all forget about these other compounds okay

  28. I definetly think they can be stacked with 4 ad for bulking. It also depends on what you consider bulking. Most understand that there will be some water retention, but lately everyone seems to be freaking out over water retention or some estrogen. Sometimes there are certain situations where it is a good idea to have a little water and we need estrogen for gh to igf1 conversion.

  29. Extra estrogen to an extent is quite anabolic

  30. "7aa-Methyl-4OHN" is the title of the thread on bb which there is some debate over the side effects of 7aa-4OHN especially its progesterone sides.
  

  
 

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