animal eater mini epistane log
01-16-2009 06:41 PM
animal eater mini epistane log
Allright gang- I am now eight days into my epistane cycle.Did 20 mg for first 2 days, 30mg the next 5 days and on day eight boosted it to 40 mg. So far so good. Yesterday was the first day that I had any feeling of actually feeling on. Had great chest workout yesterday which tends to be my yardstick for chemicals, -that and deadlifts. My guess is that it was a combination of having a week on the epi plus upping the dosage which made the difference.
Recovery has been pretty good. I know things are happening because sex drive is kicking hard. In the first week I added a kilo or to you pound people, 2.2 pounds. I mostly attribute this to the fact that I have pretty muched upped my carb intake which for me means having carbs with meals all the way through with every meal. If I soften up, I will shut carbs down around 3pm.
All in all its early days so I don't have any strong oppinion yet. I will be happy if by cycle end I can add 6-8 pounds and stay lean. At age 40 I have already achieved most of my strength goals so just want to harden up and gain a tad muscle. Everytime I read people gaining 15 pounds on a designer cycle I think they must be absolute beginners or they are getting fat. Hell even a moderate test/deca cycle would be lucky to put on 10-12 lean pounds so how in the world can you expect more on an 3-5 week oral only cycle.
01-16-2009 06:55 PM
Good stuff. I am on day 6 and I am starting to feel good pumps when Im working out. It feels great. I started at 30 and Im going to run that for 2 weeks then go to 40 for the last 2 weeks. Maby 50 for the last few days, we'll see.
01-16-2009 06:59 PM
Yeah all about feeling your way through these things. Ultimately it is your body which will be the decider. Best of luck with your cycle.
01-16-2009 08:19 PM
sounds like you know what you're doing
01-16-2009 08:47 PM
looks like we are on the same schedule....I am on day 8 of Havoc but still running at 30. Not bumping to 40 till week 3 most likely.
Subbing to this.
01-16-2009 11:45 PM
It has a lot to do with eating more and training harder because you're "on," IMO, than it does with just taking a given compound.
Everytime I read people gaining 15 pounds on a designer cycle I think they must be absolute beginners or they are getting fat.
Take those same guys, feed them more, push them as hard as they push themselves when running a cycle...they would still gain great.
Work is work.
01-16-2009 11:51 PM
True enough. I suppose after several years of training and eating hard (99percent of which was totally natural) you have realistic expectations. I am about 204 pounds at present and want to finish at about 210 9-10A%bf. Past that I actually look bigger than I care to.
Originally Posted by conwict
01-16-2009 11:52 PM
Originally Posted by ibanezman08
01-16-2009 11:53 PM
Best of luck on yours- keep me posted.
Originally Posted by maurice02
01-18-2009 04:02 PM
Not to much to add today. Today marks day 10 and the biggest things I can note on Epistane is that its good for leaning out and definately keeps sex drive high. Weight so far up 2.5 pounds but am keeping nice and lean. Time will tell.
01-18-2009 04:49 PM
I have noticed with Havoc that my sex drive is practically shot already. I have no clue why but I have read that others say that Epistane is the one that raises it while more people have it go down with Havoc.
Totally agree with you about the leaning out issue. I am up about 3 1/2 pounds since start. My strength is up as of Day 8....not a huge amount, but noticable.
Keep it going!
01-18-2009 04:54 PM
Cheers buddy! Today I will be deadlifting and weighted chins amongst other things. This should be a good indicator in terms of strength on epi. Sorry to hear about sex drive. Maybe add some trib of horny goat weed.
Originally Posted by maurice02
01-20-2009 07:26 PM
12 days in. Strength has been good but not over the top. Seeing epistane as more or less as recomp steroid. By upping dose to 40mg a day, I can't feel much if any of a difference. That said, I will patient and see if it kicks in a bit more after this week. Diet has been a pretty steady 4000 calories a day. The next 15-20 days I will kick that up a notch to about 4500 calories. This should get the scale moving. I have found anything beyond that for my size just results in extra fat gained. I will keep you updated. Animal Eater
01-20-2009 08:57 PM
progress on epistane is slow and steady.
i was waiting for it to kick in the whole time. but it never really "kicks in". it gives you gains but slow and steady ones. you'll wonder if it's even you gaining strength naturally.
i still love epi though. i think i'm gonna run it next cycle i do.
01-20-2009 09:15 PM
I can say that I have noticed an increase from Day 10 on Havoc which I know is supposed to be same as Epi. I bumped to 40 mg today and definitely felt a wonderful strength increase. Maybe I am just responding very well to it, but it seems pretty crazy so far to be honest.
01-21-2009 12:51 AM
Tommorow is pain day I eh I mean leg day so that should test it. Thanks for input fellas.
01-22-2009 11:13 PM
14 day update- Training sessions have been hard and heavy this week. Weight is just starting to rise a bit. One thing that is nice about this epistane is that on 40mg a day I have experienced zero sides. Sleep is fine, blood pressure is perfect, boners are abundant, and skin is clear.
Also worth noting is that I am not taking taurine as it usually gives me headaches, and am experiencing ZERO back pumps as opposed to m-drol which had me crying like a big cat on only 10mg a day.
All in all I will give it thumbs up so far. Next fourteen days you had better keep your hands away from my mouth as it will be busy destroying copious amounts of food. I figure if I am going to grow on epi it will be in the next few weeks.
To give a good idea of strength today (I use benches and deads as benchmarks) I benched 315 for 11 reps followed by 10 reps and 9 reps. Not bad for a 40 year old.
01-23-2009 06:32 PM
Good to see this log has a huge following.sleeping:
01-23-2009 10:12 PM
bumped up to 40mg in week three and its workin out very nicely. Stacking it with propadrol and i have to say my sex drive is nuts right now. Hard wood waking me up in the middle of the night.
01-24-2009 02:18 PM
maybe i should try havoc. everybody seems to say that havoc is crazy and epi doesn't do much.
i am doing a cycle with epi in it in march hopefully and i wanna try havoc so i can compare the two.
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