Smoking Pot and AAS/PH use?
- 12-22-2008, 07:22 PM
- 12-22-2008, 07:43 PM
- 12-22-2008, 07:46 PM
^^^ complete bull****... please show me one documented case where some one has gotten gyno from only smoking weed.. ur telling me that if someone smokes and takes AAS/PH/PS and they develop gyno that its gonna be from the weed smoking over those 4-15 weeks and not the use of suppresive compounds? come on now!!
12-22-2008, 07:51 PM
just search...theres been a crapload of threads on this...
12-22-2008, 08:54 PM
Smokin' pot will not hurt you during cycle or any other time. Smoking isn't good for anyone but Marajuana won't do
1 /10000th the damage alcohol would while on cycle or off. No comparison. I've read a few cats that have had to smoke a J to get their appetite up while on Superdrol. Eating is very important.
12-22-2008, 09:11 PM
I think smoking anything might be a bad idea while on any compound that would decrease red blood cell count, beause I'd want all the oxygen I could get for all that heavy lifting; But I'm the cautious type.
12-22-2008, 09:17 PM
12-22-2008, 10:03 PM
12-22-2008, 10:05 PM
marijuana should be legal..
12-22-2008, 10:10 PM
marijuana of high grade, DOES LIVER DAMAGE.
I once was on AS for a few weeks, and after i smokes a few joints i feel the insides of me shriek in pain, i felt like my organs were getting hit by glass shrapnel!
12-22-2008, 10:11 PM
12-22-2008, 10:40 PM
Kind trees are the best appetite and sleep aid. Post workout and before bed. Haha, seriously.
12-23-2008, 12:15 AM
12-23-2008, 12:22 AM
12-23-2008, 12:45 AM
I love how emotional pot users get when you say anything about marijuana. I smoked for 6 years and dont see anything to defend.
12-23-2008, 01:00 AM
12-23-2008, 03:58 AM
I don't stop smoking while I am on cycle. Never had any sides from smoking trees while on.
12-23-2008, 10:24 AM
used to smoke a good deal, but now that i stopped i gain weight easier and am much stronger. i say no to bud while training.
12-23-2008, 11:56 AM
12-23-2008, 12:18 PM
I have been smoking daily for my cycle. It's like steroids for my appetite; i'm up 17 pounds in 13 days.
I would have legitimate problems eating enough calories to properly bulk at my weight without weed.
I've never had estrogen related problems from this, but I know from people on this board that some people do. Everyone's biochemistry is a little different.
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12-23-2008, 12:19 PM
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12-23-2008, 12:24 PM
It's pretty clear that marijuana affects estrogen levels in a negative way relative towards building muscle. If you are looking for studies just go to google and you will pull up a bunch of information. Of course quite a few of the sites/sources will be related to anti-addiction efforts. I suspect that for pot-heads anything that comes from a source espousing sobriety will automatically be suspect, so take it as you will.
Aside from the affects of marijuana on oneís hormone levels, the simple fact is that smoking it will reduce the efficiency of your lungs ability to get oxygen into the blood stream, albeit less than smoking tobacco would.
Personally, I see nothing wrong with smoking-out even though I donít. It just makes little since to me to do something that does not help and could hurt muscle growth when on the sauce. When I cycle, everything I do is about maximizing the gains.
12-23-2008, 12:25 PM
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12-23-2008, 12:48 PM
Marijuana extracts possess the effects like the en...[Toxicology. 2005] - PubMed Result
Estrogenic effects of marijuana smoke condensate a...[Toxicol Appl Pharmacol. 2006] - PubMed Result
Antiestrogenic effects of marijuana smoke condensa...[Arch Pharm Res. 2005] - PubMed Result
Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol inhibits 17beta-estr...[Anticancer Res. 2008 Jan-Feb] - PubMed Result
12-23-2008, 01:10 PM
Looks like you can find a study that supports both arguments.
This is straight from one of the articles "The results showed that MSC induced the antiestrogenic effect via the ER-mediated pathway, while THC, CBD, and CBN did not have any antiestrogenic activity. This suggests that the combined effects of the marijuana smoke components are responsible for the antiestrogenicity of marijuana use."
Personally, I smoke daily on and off cycle and see no estrogenic sides at all. Some times I smoke right before going to the gym and have just as good if not better workouts than when I don't.
12-23-2008, 01:28 PM
yeah i smoked for the first time before going to the gym last week, I seriously had the best workout i've had in a long time. I was so focused and each rep was done perfect i was amazed. As the pumps started coming i just felt even better.
12-23-2008, 01:59 PM
I found that as long a i stayed on schedule and had a plan my WO were wicked, tended to run a bit long and somtimes forgot somthing. The key obviously is moderation.
12-23-2008, 02:30 PM
Thanks Heat Miser. Like I said my part was just rhetoric, but I did do a search. In addition to what you posted I came up with this. It's dated '83 so...
Marijuana: interaction with the estrogen receptor
MA Sauer, SM Rifka, RL Hawks, GB Cutler and DL Loriaux
Crude marijuana extract competed with estradiol for binding to the estrogen receptor of rat uterine cytosol. Condensed marijuana smoke also competed with estradiol for its receptor. Pure delta 9- tetrahydrocannabinol, however, did not interact with the estrogen receptor. Ten delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol metabolites also failed to compete with estradiol for its receptor. Of several other common cannabinoids tested, only cannabidiol showed any estrogen receptor binding. This was evident only at very high concentrations of cannabidiol. Apigenin, the aglycone of a flavinoid phytoestrogen found in cannabis, displayed high affinity for the estrogen receptor. To assess the biological significance of these receptor data, estrogen activity was measured in vivo with the uterine growth bioassay, using immature rats. Cannabis extract in large doses exhibited neither estrogenic nor antiestrogenic effects. Thus, although estrogen receptor binding activity was observed in crude marijuana extract, marijuana smoke condensate and several known components of cannabis, direct estrogenic activity of cannabis extract could not be demonstrated in vivo.
Volume 224, Issue 2, pp. 404-407, 02/01/1983
Copyright © 1983 by American Society for Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics
The data suggests that cannabinoids disrupt the endocrine system, but whether they are estrogenic or not is not conclusive.
I just gave it all a cursory read, but that's what I took away from it.
12-23-2008, 02:42 PM
I also found this: (oh well I guess I cant post links yet)
12-23-2008, 02:45 PM
w w w.ukcia.org/research/EndocrineEffects.pdf
12-23-2008, 03:13 PM
12-23-2008, 04:40 PM
marijuana keeps me very leveled in life and i think it compliments the aas very well. when your leelin to aggressive just roll one up and relax
12-23-2008, 05:44 PM
I love it...
i know lots of people who smoke alot of grass and gain like crazy..
12-23-2008, 06:49 PM
Effects of chronic marijuana use on testosterone, luteinizing hormone, follicle stimulating hormone, prolactin and cortisol in men and women.
Block RI, Farinpour R, Schlechte JA.
Department of Anesthesia, College of Medicine, University of Iowa, Iowa City 52242.
To investigate possible effects of chronic marijuana use on reproductive and stress hormones, we assayed testosterone, luteinizing hormone, follicle stimulating hormone, prolactin, and cortisol in 93 men and 56 women with a mean (+/- S.E.) age of 23.5 +/- 0.4 years. Hormone values were compared among groups of subjects stratified according to frequency of marijuana use (frequent, moderate and infrequent; N = 27, 18, and 30, respectively) and non-using controls (N = 74). Chronic marijuana use showed no significant effect on hormone concentrations in either men or women.
Serum testosterone concentrations in cannabis and opiate users
[Article in German]
Friedrich G, Nepita W, Andre T.
Institut fur Rechtsmedizin, Universitat Freiburg.
The object of this study was to establish possible influences of long-term cannabis usage on plasma testosterone levels. The plasma testosterone levels of 66 male Pakistani who for years had smoked cannabis daily or drank cannabis regularly where measured after chronic and acute intake of the drug and compared with a material of 41 normal controls, i.e. persons who did not use cannabis. An evaluation of the results showed that there were no significant differences between the two groups. No influence of long-term cannabis usage on plasma testosterone levels was found. Furthermore we wished to find out wether long-term heroin abuse showed an effect on plasma testosterone levels. The concentrations of testosterone in the plasma of 102 heroin addicts assigned to a Methadone Program were measured and compared with the values of 29 male healthy students as controls. Plasma testosterone levels were found to be significantly decreased in heroin addicts as compared to controls.
When I work out all the time I'm very aggressive and on edge. Weed kind of just levels me out. I don't drink so weed is my way of chilling.
12-23-2008, 07:44 PM
i smoke pretty much daily, on and off cycle. i have smoked before i work out before and i feel like i have a good work out but i think it is just because when your high everything you experience is more intense haha. i usually smoke post work out, so i can much out.
iv never had any gyno period and iv got many cycles under my belt, all while i was smoking regularly.
toke it up boys!!!
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