i'm on my 3rd week of p-plex and I am not impressed.
155lbs 5'5. 12% bf
p-plex cycle: 20/20/30/30
I have not notice any strength gains or weight gain. Am I missing something here?
Not enough calories
i dont know man, hows sleep pattern.... the doses seem low to me.
but i dont think you can always blame calories on everything, some people can gain on diets like that, but even with a little over maintence there shoulda been some decent gain.
He isn't even eating maintenance. That diet is probably somewhere around 2700 calories. An hour of intense lifting is gonna burn 500-700 calories which would put his actual maintenance at 2000-2200 calories if he was actually eating at maintenance. He should be over 3k at a minimum, imo
yea i just did the math hes at like 2610, his maintence is APPROX 2500 if you use his weight in KG and multiply it by 35 (how they do it in hospitals and what not)... and then add on about 500-750 kcal and you get to 3000-3200 kcal.
soo your math was right!!!
but i will throw it out there, that people do actually maintain on lower then what their maitenence is. its very person dependant. and sometimes people can gain on maintence calories, it depends on the person, i know theres a few on this board.
damn, so this whole cycle is pretty much just wasted, I'll know better next time. Should I just save the rest and PCT now?
i agree with all of the above,... but even with a lack of calories and diet i would think you would be getting AT LEAST some sort of gains. Phera was my very first cycle back in the day(the original of course) and due to my lack of knowledge at the time, my diet was dreadful. I cant rememebr the #'s, but i saw descent, noticable gains by the 3rd week. I dont know your age, or if this is your first cycle, but what kind of PP clone are you using. Just a thought, but it might be a crap clone.
CEL P-Plex batch 060508
i just started the 3rd week 2 days ago
weird.... do you feel normal?do you get greater pumps? how are your workouts? i had really great experiences with p plex. maybe you should add another week. i would def up the callories but the way you make it sound it could be bad gear.
i'll up the calories, my weight on my db presses went up 5lbs, but I think that's just from training
side effects: I haven't felt anything besides being lethargic once in awhile
If you're not even getting better pumps there's something wrong. Any oral that works will give me pumps and hardness within a few days.
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When I ran phera plex, i dosed at 10mg for 2 weeks, and 20 mgs for 3 weeks and ATE 1,000 kcals BELOW maintenance, weighed in around 186 when i started and I stilled gained strength if nothing more. My weight, all 15lbs was mostly wet, but that's besides the point.
He is not even getting PUMPS? He's obviously suffering from something besides JUST lack of food intake.
Op, how many days did you tank on the doses? i.e. miss doses and what is your workout looking like? Is all the protein from just shakes and/or low quality protein?
and what type of fat and carbs are you taking in, good quality or sticky buns(no seriously, im serious)??
There is no ONE SIZE FITS ALL answer and without even mentioning the type of food your taking in or your workout scheme, your getting all types of advice from all angles.
wtf? Im calling total horsesh!t on this. Either your sh@t is complete bunk, or your just fcking off brah, no offense! seriously....
So if a majority of our research studies are financed by large corporations, then where does that leave us? Do not take research findings as "gospel".
Any libido increases after dosing? ..how about a lack of?
Phera,.. sadly to say, is not too kind to me. I keep hoping to get something out of it.
If your just a non responder somehow, I feel ya
You should have had at least a little more water retention... Even with low calories like that.. Just my thoughts though..
Goos advice here. You need food to grow - no matter what compound you're using.
I ran PP for 3 weeks then mixed in SD for week 3, then SD for an additional 3 weeks. PP did brilliant for me.
If you have 0 gains in all areas, throw the bottle away or adjust your diet and routine