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    Which is better for winter bulk?


    I've narrowed down what I will be doing for my third cycle to gain mass during my winter bulk. Just need some opinions. TIA.
    Injectables are not an option for me.

    -Spawn (have heard good things, yet not talked about too much)

    -M-drol (not a fan of the toll it takes on the liver, yet yields awesome results, dry gains)

    -P-plex (a bit less harsh than m-drol, wet gains)

    -Havoc (have heard mixed reviews)

    Keep in mind, my goal is too gain quality mass/weight. Any one with experience with these I'd appreciate your input.

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    why u dont wand inj.???theyre better on your body...
    nevermind.
    i would go with M-DROL
    but do u got PCT prepared for it??
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    Quote Originally Posted by davi514 View Post
    I've narrowed down what I will be doing for my third cycle to gain mass during my winter bulk. Just need some opinions. TIA.
    Injectables are not an option for me.

    -Spawn (have heard good things, yet not talked about too much)

    -M-drol (not a fan of the toll it takes on the liver, yet yields awesome results, dry gains)

    -P-plex (a bit less harsh than m-drol, wet gains)

    -Havoc (have heard mixed reviews)

    Keep in mind, my goal is too gain quality mass/weight. Any one with experience with these I'd appreciate your input.
    that's a really open-ended question. you've listed some goods one there and some of the sides associated with them. if you're going for a bulk, i like PP. i like the "wet" gains that come with it. the water weight you put on does not need to be so much as others talk about, if you drink plenty of water, cut out salt and keep the carbs at a decent level.
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    i agree with lennox here, alot of people complain on PP but if you are really eating clean the stuff is amazing. U get away with less when you cheat compared to most of the other OTC stuff thats all. You have already answered your question with spawn and mdrol just by the way you percieve them. you should try other compounds even if u get mixed reviews or whatever. Some people on here dont even know wtf they are doing anyway lol.
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    Yes, I have pct prepared. In the past ive done the nolva route, but I think I may try reversitol after seeing such postive feedback. I'm not a fan of the way nolva makes you feel while on it. We'll see. Also, I think i've decided to go with phera.
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    checkout some of the logs going around on Dienedrone on AM. I think one of them, guy put on 6lbs in his first week and looks leaner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tattoopierced1 View Post
    checkout some of the logs going around on Dienedrone on AM. I think one of them, guy put on 6lbs in his first week and looks leaner.
    I'm not too familair with this..but i gotta say i dont mind the bloat look that is associated with ds's like p-plex. Being a natural ecto i could care less..weight is weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davi514 View Post
    I'm not too familair with this..but i gotta say i dont mind the bloat look that is associated with ds's like p-plex. Being a natural ecto i could care less..weight is weight.

    kinda funny that u mention this. theres this kid, 21-22 years old id say, in my gym and hes about 6'2. in about 2 months he went from id say 180 to about 220-230 and hes fat as f uck now.

    this kid obviously is on something and doesnt know proper diet and training.


    just thought id share
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    Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    kinda funny that u mention this. theres this kid, 21-22 years old id say, in my gym and hes about 6'2. in about 2 months he went from id say 180 to about 220-230 and hes fat as f uck now.

    this kid obviously is on something and doesnt know proper diet and training.


    just thought id share
    haha..i probably shoulda specified i like that kind of weight to a certain extent. My diet is spot on around 4500 a day so im not too worried about blowin up like a whale like this guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davi514 View Post
    haha..i probably shoulda specified i like that kind of weight to a certain extent. My diet is spot on around 4500 a day so im not too worried about blowin up like a whale like this guy.

    then i must say good job. a lot of folks just dont understand how to diet (whether bulk or cut) properly.

    the funny thing is the kid wears skin-tight wifebeaters everyday and i guess he thinks he looks good....HUGE and i meaN HUGE gut
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    tell him he's fat then :P
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    Have you tried Plex before. Alot of people like Plex but for me and a few others I know Plex killed my appetite drastically. It gave me great pumps and vascularity i just couldn't bulk on it. When are you starting you cycle? the m14ad is very promising so is the transdermal 1-t a few logs going on right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mixedup View Post
    Have you tried Plex before. Alot of people like Plex but for me and a few others I know Plex killed my appetite drastically. It gave me great pumps and vascularity i just couldn't bulk on it. When are you starting you cycle? the m14ad is very promising so is the transdermal 1-t a few logs going on right now.
    I'm waiting on winter break from classes which is comin up in about 3 weeks..so this is when I will start. Some users of p-plex seem to report a decrease in appetite yet more ppl seem to see an increase so im not sure which to go by, but either way it has some positive feedback from what ive seen.
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    So I realize this has been discussed over and over but would reveristol be sufficent for after a 4 week phera cycle? Obtaining nolvadex obviously isnt difficult so if need be I will get it, but I'd rather not. just curious of pheraplex users opinions on pct.
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    phera needs a serm in PCT
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    get the serm, if you decide not to use it in PCT then at least have it on hand. I dont know why guys dont have SERMs as mandatory supplement.... u should always have some for emergency if you are using AAS imo. phera keeps libido, appetite, and mood up for me and i get good sleep on it too. It did however not give me as good results after the first cycle.
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    Ive actually been lookin more into havoc now. Results seem to come sooner than that of pplex from what ive seen from users. I also like the idea of less sides. Is Havoc good for an all out bulk that takes advantage of excess calories?
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    I'm doing this cycle in january as my bulk incase you are interested.

    Phera -20/30/30/30
    Havoc -0/0/20/20/30/30

    There phera will throw on the dirty weight. As the phera gains start to level, epistane will kick in and maintain those gains while drying up the water retention/preserving strength. Epistane also increases appetite dramatically in almost everyone that uses it...

    PCT - I recommend Reversitol for its great AI combo and natural test boosters. But with something like Phera def. will use a SERM but NOT tamoxifene because its been proven to upregulate progestin receptors which phera can pray on.

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    i would do s-drol by fast action pharma.

    it's another superdrol clone. but it's much better than cel m-drol.

    idk, superdrol always gave me bloat!

    if you don't wanna do superdrol, go with p-plex. it's winter anyway so you can just cover up if you get too bloated. but really p-plex's bloat isn't that bad compared to say dbol.

    i also suggest looking at kilosports trenadrol.

    very good/potent pro-hormone.

    i actually have very little sides from this and it's non-methylated so it's easier on your liver.

    i've heard people gain good quality lean mass from it.

    i gained a few lbs of lean mass but the strength gains were increadible.
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    try to get the original AX s-drol its good stuff. also, have you considered the one and only dianabol? im planning a winter bulk, possibly spring, as well and i think i might take the d-bol route pulsing it for 6-7 weeks at 3 times per week. havent decided yet tho so nothing is for sure
  

  
 

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