First Cycle (Dbol) need advice
- 11-21-2008, 07:55 PM
First Cycle (Dbol) need advice
Ill be starting my first roid cycle ever on monday and Im looking for a little advice on a few things.
My main goal is to bulk up right now, nothing extreme.
So how should I split the intake of the dbol?
Also Im 5' 8" 178 lbs, what should my caloric intake be daily and how many carbs??
Im right down the road from my gym, should I go everyday?? or split my workout over 3 or 4 days through the week.
Should I continue my cardio or will this have adverse effects on my bulking??
Thank you very muich, lookin forward to being a faithful member to these forum s.
- 11-21-2008, 09:06 PM
People on here will tell you that dbol alone is worthless and that you will lose any gains you make shortly after the cycle is finished. don't believe everything you read. wait for someone with more knowledge than me to respond and in the mean time do research on your own.
- 11-21-2008, 09:57 PM
been trying to research, not to many people on here seem to be using dbol.
Some advice from an expert would be great.
11-21-2008, 10:04 PM
dbol's great at the beginning of a test cycle to kickstart gains. I've used it alone in the past and got ridiculous strength gains, but they didn't last. go to the chemical faq on here, the info is there, you just need to find it. good luck
11-21-2008, 11:54 PM
quick size? yes
quick strength gains? yes
lasting gains even with proper diet and PCT? highy unlikely
RUN DBOL WITH TEST!
11-21-2008, 11:58 PM
11-22-2008, 12:13 AM
I was told the same thing 2 years ago about d-bol... I still did it, and I loved being on it. But I lost all my gains (With a good PCT). It's pointless.
Save your d-bol for once you get some Test. Go get a PH. Epi would be a great place to start. You will get gains that you can keep with proper PCT.
11-22-2008, 12:01 PM
11-22-2008, 02:08 PM
If you do want to go with a hormone increasing substance I would reccomend Epistane (sold as Epistane, E-stane, and Havoc) , or Bold 200. Epistane is methylated. (It is toxic to you liver) So you would need to run liver support supplements. I would reccomend Liv 52, Milk thistle, and Sam-E.
Bold 200 would be a decent way to start off, as it is not methylated. I don't have a lot of knowledge on bold . I'm sure some other people on this board could help you.
I'm telling you. Save the D-bol.
11-22-2008, 07:02 PM
For this should I still save my Dbol and get test???
Thanks for all the help.
11-22-2008, 07:04 PM
why would u suggest epi over dbol? dbol is a better muscle builder, and its been used for so long now we know what to expect from it. dbol 25-30mg ED for 6 weeks is a great way to put on some nice LBM and gain some good strength. and no it wont all go away when you come off, thats waht happens when people dose too high and dont diet correctly.
11-22-2008, 07:07 PM
11-22-2008, 07:10 PM
foreman grill is great, buffalo paties are a good source of lean protein. chicken, fish, tuna, turkey. solid meats every 3 hours, with a decent helping of some basic carbs. IE brown rice, potatoe, yam, oatmeal.
train no more then 6 times a week, 5 is what i do, most guys train 4-5. cardio is fine to do no more then 3x a week and for 30 minutes tops just to maintain cardiovascular health.
11-22-2008, 07:23 PM
11-22-2008, 07:27 PM
about 50g protein per meal. 50-60g carbs. 600-700 calories.
youl get used to eating frequently after about a week, and this is when you will see the most improvements in your physique. the loads of good food coupled with the increased metabolisem will add some solid LBM and possibly even burn some unwanted fat.
11-22-2008, 10:20 PM
nephilim you are the ****, good advice.
11-22-2008, 11:52 PM
idk about others,.... but i kept all my gains on my last dbol cycle in feb. with a "descently good" pct. Supplement wise it was great, but my pct suffered a lil due to financial problems, and therefore i could not spend $50 on meat and potatoes/pastas a week like i did when on,lol so thats what i mean by "decently good.". 2 months later i started a cut, and at the time i still had all my strength, so i think its just having that solid diet when on,in pct, then after and also havin all the correct pct supplements that matters most,.... and also the fact that everyones different, ...what works for one might not on the other
11-23-2008, 09:05 AM
11-23-2008, 09:57 AM
Usually run Dbol with test. however, DBOL alone does work. No you dont keep 100% of your gains. I just finished a cycle not too long ago of d only, and gained about 25-27 lbs, and lost about 6-7 lbs, and have hardened up. Strength is the same, lost about 2 reps on my max bench. But no big deal.
Just make sure your diet is correct!! Use Creatine during PCT, and train hard. Squats, Bench, Deadlifts are a must.
11-23-2008, 11:31 AM
please someone let me know what PCT is.
11-23-2008, 11:33 AM
post cycle therapy. its run after you come off anabolics to help your natural hormones get back to normal as fast as possible. for your purposes post cycle support and some creatine will work just fine. you could get nolvadex ( tamoxifen citrate) but it is not nesseary.
11-23-2008, 01:04 PM
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11-23-2008, 02:11 PM
good advice neph....i dont understand the aversion to d-bol on this board...people will hate on it so bad without test...but then turn around and run phera or something. to me d-bol= ...with or without test
11-23-2008, 02:31 PM
D-Bol can offer gains if a proper diet and PCT is used. Like everyone else, I will say that D-Bol is best used in conjunction with injectables, usually to "kick start" a cycle or "bridge" cycles.
I would recommended atleast having clomid and/or nolvadex for a PCT. HCG is good but hard to get a handle on often
Also, I would have one of the following chems for during your cycle to fight gyno,etc. I like letrozole, but armidex, etc. will work.
11-23-2008, 02:47 PM
dbol wont cause much bloat or convert enough to give gyno at 20-30mg. 20 is on the low side but you will see gains, i put a client on 20mg of dbol for 6 weeks prior to going into marine bootcamp and he came back telling me he couldnt thank me enough, he put on solid lbm and got stronger and didnt use post cycle just tapered off, he came back the same weight he finished his cycle with but shredded.
11-24-2008, 12:55 AM
srry been away from a comp all day,... post cycle therapy is basically what nephilim666 said, as it is supposed to "heal" your body up, balance off/get everything back to normal, but also solidify your gains. search pct on here as there are SO many things that you can take, some personal pref. while others are the basics. off the top of my head I had nolva on hand (always have a SERM bro) milk thistle, perfect cycle liver cleaner (old bottle), NAC, hawthorne berry, saw palmetto,.. also sum crap test booster, and ATD , i wrote it all out, idk where it is, as it was about8-9 months ago. Big thing is having a SERM, and other pct supps to help out elsewhere,..... and diet has to be as perfect as possible. better the diet, the better the gains. I was literally a steak,fish, ckn, pasta, and potato monster when on,.... and then moreso on pct
11-24-2008, 01:40 PM
some of the stuff im hearing in this thread is utterly rediculous!!!!!!!!!
"you could get nolvadex ( tamoxifen citrate) but it is not nesseary."
NOT NESESSARY?!?! wtf??? its Dbol!!! You NEED nolvadex in your PCT. AND some extra during cycle incase you get gyno.
"dbol wont cause much bloat or convert enough to give gyno at 20-30mg"
More bollocks. It will bloat at 20-30 unless controlled by proper diet and/or proviron. And if your saying gyno will not happen at this dosage range your a fool, as it can happen...and it happens quite bloody often.
Jesus guys. You lot are supposed to be giving advise! (not aimed at all of you as some gave good advise) but to whom this may concern, i dont know what the hell your doing telling this guy about your mate who did no pct and tapered off fine. It MAY have been ok for your mate but that just means hes one LUCKY f*cker! This guy is obviously a first timer and seems a hell of a long way off being ready to take steroids. And all of you should be advising him the proper use of pct etc.
To the original poster:
20-30mg/day of dbol for 4 weeks.
You WILL put on a little bloat (a lot if not controlled) so dont confuse bloat as gains. But you will gain some LBM so dont be disheartened. I think dbol is great IMO
Have nolvadex on hand and start taking it if you start to see signs of gyno (itchy nips, puffy nips, lump under nips)
And use nolvadex for your PCT as per usual 21 day protocal.
nice little cycle if diet/training are nailed....and no alcahol
11-24-2008, 01:57 PM
11-24-2008, 02:03 PM
He may be knowlegable mate. But to me all that advise is just plain unproffessional. I don't care how big or ripped the guy is...that is just outright bad advise...
11-24-2008, 02:06 PM
Hate to say it, but you really need to read up on what you will be doing to your body before you do it.
Roids aren't magic. Research as much as you can before you jump into something like this.
Good advice though guys.
11-24-2008, 02:14 PM
Also if you're afraid of injecting.. IF I'm saying IF because a lot of times these guys don't want to pin.. so if that were the case.. A dbol/Epistane cycle would suffice! I've done it and gained 18 pounds.. lost 4 during PCT.. but that's decent weight.. and of course I had my PCT in order. Nolvadex 40, 40, 20, 20 and some natty test booster like Blue Up will do you just right.
11-24-2008, 03:01 PM
I agree with the bulkster..
You'd be an absolute moron to not have nolvadex or something on hand. Some people are more prone to gyno than others. Nolvadex is inexpensive if you look in the right places and if you can't afford something as inexpensive as nolva you SHOULDNT be doing gear.
I may not have much of a rep on here but some of the advice above was completely ridiculous
11-24-2008, 03:16 PM
dude pay attention to this. my cousin is a huge roid dealer so i know alot. with dbol, sure it will work on its own, but its much better to take it with something else. either deca or maybe mdrol or torque. the problem with another oral steroid is that ur liver is gonna be fried lol so u gotta take liver support and stay on in for a while. when i was on it, i lifted 2 days off 1 day and lifted extremely hard, consumed about 4000 calories a day.
11-24-2008, 04:17 PM
im not going to get into an internet-argument with you bulkster. You either have no experience with dianabol or are just regurgitating what you read on the internet.
11-24-2008, 05:20 PM
I agree with some of this post. I would like to point out that with AAS and PH's, no one has a monopoly on irrefutable truth. Everyone is speaking from their own personal experiences, and those of people they have trained with. I am of the school of thought that D-bol alone is a little wasteful, and IN MY EXPERIENCE, even with proper nutrition and PCT, I lost about 50% of my gains, weight wise.
Further more, I def agree that an SERM is NECESSARY, not optional when using AAS, particularly one like d-bol, which is attributed to high-aromatization, and always causes me nipple sensitivity.
I am of the school of thought, that when giving advice to someone who a) i don't know and b) has less AAS experience than myself it is one thing to emphasize my personal experience, but I should always encourage the other person to take the safest possible route to HPTA recovery.
11-24-2008, 08:15 PM
Bennett - thanks
Vodka - totally agree
666 - I've used dbol on many occasions. And have myself experienced the onset of gyno (which was dealt with as i had a SERM ON HAND) i have also known MANY people who have had the same. And im not disputing that your "client" didn't use PCT and was fine or whatever i'm just saying that this irresponsible approach to PCT should not be shown to an inexperienced 1st timer. Dont really care if you think i am just regurgitating information. I am speaking experience and many other people i know's experience and most of all im speaking common bloody sence. Original poster - dont risk messing up your natty test chief. Use a serm. end of
11-24-2008, 11:15 PM
11-24-2008, 11:36 PM
11-24-2008, 11:42 PM
I think you'll be fine!
11-24-2008, 11:47 PM
A friend of mine did a d-bol only cycle years ago before the controlled substance act, when you could buy it at your local GNC. He went up to 40mg over six weeks, and gained 40lbs (mostly water). That was well before the advent of pct, and he ended up keeping 6 lbs total. That should give you some idea of what your getting into. If you run a good pct, you can probrably at least double what he kept, and could minimize bloat with a simple AI. I don't see any problem with a d-bol only cycle, just to get your feet wet. You may want to try something light, just to see what its like, instead of committing to a longer injectable cycle.
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