Dbol vs Epistane for test e kickstart on a cut/lean bulk

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    Dbol vs Epistane for test e kickstart on a cut/lean bulk


    Hi guys

    im starting a Cut / Lean bulk beginning december with 400mg Test each week (may bump up to 500 or 600mg later in the cycle)

    I was wondering what you guys would reccomend in terms off an oral to kickstart

    Im currently around 12% bf want to get to around 10% by end of december and stay at or beneath that for my complete cycle

    will be using aromasin 10mg eod

    My two options for oral to kickstart are:

    Epistane 30mg ed for 4 weeks
    Dbol 20mg (or 40 if i want) ed for 4 weeks

    also cost wise dbol is almost twice as much at the 20mg doseage than the epistane

    in terms off sides which would have less ? and does dbol cause much acne?

    thanks heaps

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    why mix phs and gear? just stick with gear and run dbol at 40-50mg ed for 4 weeks for a good kickstart. my theory is if your going to make something run through your liver and be toxic just stick with gear if your already planning on using.
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    epi made me bloat but gain strength, dbol made me hard as a rock, add quick mass and strength went up.

    compounds work different on everyone. diet is key for any goal
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    Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    epi made me bloat but gain strength, dbol made me hard as a rock, add quick mass and strength went up.

    compounds work different on everyone. diet is key for any goal
    Agreed.

    You should stick with gear if you are already using it.
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    I completely disagree with this statement...

    Havoc is gear...its just legal. It is a steroid. It does work. If you dont want the harshness of d-bol with the water rentention and you want more of a cutting/hardening type agent similar to winstrol but possibly stronger then front load with epistane.

    This statement of sticking to gear is like saying that you should run anadrol instead of superdrol frontloaded. It really doesn't make a difference.

    Plus one has to consider the cost factor. Epistane is very cheap in comparison to the extremely high priced d-bol.

    If one is simply looking for an extra kick to fill in the gap until the long-ester kicks in, theres absolutely nothing wrong with epistane. Low sides...and 40-50mg can yeild up to 10lbs of muscle in a month that would be EASILY kept and added to on test.

    Epi will probably act as an Anti-E and will cancel out the usage of you AI. If you use dbol you'll DEFININTELY need the AI.
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    Hi guys

    thanks for your comments

    im sort of leaning towards epistane based on cost but if i can afford it i may get the dbol

    either way ill be using aromasin 10mg eod as im gyno prone

    anyone elses veiws on this?
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    id vote for the epi since you want to keep it lean and yes it usually is cheaper and its gonna be just as effective as your somewhat low dose dbol.
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    thanks for that guys

    yea going to go with the epi had good results when i ran it solo so with test should be even better!
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    I've done both,prefer the epi.
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    IMO epi would be good esp. on a cut..
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    bro kickstart with the epi, it will be cheaper and less toxic on your body for the upcoming weeks of the juice. epi kept me lean as hell and all my lifts put mad weight on them. kickstarting is usually a good idea and concept IMO. best of luck either way
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    Epistane, esp for your situation. Helps keep the bloat off very nicely while on test.
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    I agree with Natty on that one! Have any of you tried a Dbol/Epi stack? Any results?
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    kickstart with the d-bol....end with the epi
    test 1-12
    d-bol 1-4
    epi 8-12
    and pct of course
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    Dbol.... epi @ 50-60mg didnt do much for me on my cycle bro. It wasn't a complete waste, but I was a bit disappointed after seeing all the bs feedback.

    Quote Originally Posted by monsterbox View Post
    I completely disagree with this statement...

    Havoc is gear...its just legal. It is a steroid. It does work. If you dont want the harshness of d-bol with the water rentention and you want more of a cutting/hardening type agent similar to winstrol but possibly stronger then front load with epistane.

    This statement of sticking to gear is like saying that you should run anadrol instead of superdrol frontloaded. It really doesn't make a difference.

    Plus one has to consider the cost factor. Epistane is very cheap in comparison to the extremely high priced d-bol.

    If one is simply looking for an extra kick to fill in the gap until the long-ester kicks in, theres absolutely nothing wrong with epistane. Low sides...and 40-50mg can yeild up to 10lbs of muscle in a month that would be EASILY kept and added to on test.

    Epi will probably act as an Anti-E and will cancel out the usage of you AI. If you use dbol you'll DEFININTELY need the AI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    kickstart with the d-bol....end with the epi
    test 1-12
    d-bol 1-4
    epi 8-12
    and pct of course
    epi 10-14.....thats the exact cycle i run over summer
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    Thanks! Will try that bros
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