What do you want to see stacked with HAVOC?

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    What do you want to see stacked with HAVOC?


    So I recently decided not to follow through with a Mdrol cycle because 75% of the threads i have read say that the sides suck an extreme c0ck. i've done havoc twice solo, but now that i know that havoc is a friendly compound i would love to stack it with something. the only problem: i have no effin clue what to stack it with. other then superdrol clones and epithios i have no clue how the other compunds work: tren, nor? etc...

    so if you will, please list something you think that would be a great stack with this friggin awesome product.

    my first cycle was 20/30/30/40
    2nd cycle was 30/30/40/40
    3rd cycle? you decide! (within reason)

    and btw, i have some nolva... so hook my ass up with some info!

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    thanks guys! very much appreciated!
    will rep for great ideas!

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    phera 20/20/20/30 or pplex 15/15/30/30
    epi 30/30/30/30

    hdrol 25/50/50/75/75
    epi 30/30/30/30
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    phera 20/20/20/30 or pplex 15/15/30/30
    epi 30/30/30/30

    hdrol 25/50/50/75/75
    epi 30/30/30/30
    CL's pplex is in 10mg caps. so 20/20/30/30?
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    oh thats right they changed it huh? that should be enough esp since its your first time running it and you are stacking. are you thinking about that one over the hdrol?
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    PCT
    nolva: 20/20/20/10
    post cycle support
    Lean xtreme
    diesel test hardcore

    for my previous cycles i did the otc pct

    any thoughts on the new pct for this cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    oh thats right they changed it huh? that should be enough esp since its your first time running it and you are stacking. are you thinking about that one over the hdrol?
    yes. are there any big diffs between pplex and h-drol? also i just kinda wanna be on for just 4 weeks, ya know. im just weird.
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    BOLD
    DHEA
    1-T
    'Tren'

    All would be good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    BOLD
    DHEA
    1-T
    'Tren'

    All would be good!
    hey rugger, thanks for input. can you explain the strngths of bold and tren? what about dosing protocols if i will be stacking with havoc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwell600 View Post
    hey rugger, thanks for input. can you explain the strngths of bold and tren? what about dosing protocols if i will be stacking with havoc?
    Well bold and tren were recommended because they aren't methylated. Tren, it depends on which product you buy. BOLD would be something like 800mg for 6-8 weeks.
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    i'd preferably do a non methylated.
    so tren.. what products are out there for this specific one. went to the store, typed in tren and got one product.
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    There's quite a few of them IIRC
    trenadrol
    mega trn
    methoxy tren
    and I'm sure there's a few more.

    I don't know much about tren as I'm only 1 week into my cycle. Check out my log in a 2 weeks and see how it ended up
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    there are two types of otc "tren" products.

    one is Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione and the other 17b-methoxy-trienbolone.

    17b-methoxy-trienbolone

    trenadrol
    methoxy trn
    mega trn

    Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione

    trenaplex
    trena
    dienedrone
    xtreme tren
    p-tren
    finigenx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    BOLD
    DHEA
    1-T
    'Tren'

    All would be good!
    X2, all good choices. My next cycle is going to be epi/bold.
    Because epi is pretty androgenic, you want to go with something that is more anabolic and less androgenic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    there are two types of otc "tren" products.

    one is Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione and the other 17b-methoxy-trienbolone.

    17b-methoxy-trienbolone

    trenadrol
    methoxy trn
    mega trn

    Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione

    trenaplex
    trena
    dienedrone
    xtreme tren
    p-tren
    finigenx
    have you had any experience with these? if so which would you recomend? I see nutra doesn't have most of these products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    there are two types of otc "tren" products.

    one is Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione and the other 17b-methoxy-trienbolone.

    17b-methoxy-trienbolone

    trenadrol
    methoxy trn
    mega trn

    Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione

    trenaplex
    trena
    dienedrone
    xtreme tren
    p-tren
    finigenx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    BOLD
    DHEA
    1-T
    'Tren'

    All would be good!
    is the 1-T the new transdermal from PP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    p-plex
    what the hell. p-plex it is

    havoc 30/30/30/30
    pplex 20/20/30/30

    pct:
    nolva 20/20/20/20 (suggest different dosing?)
    DTHC
    Lean Xtreme
    i have some 6 oxo, throw that in there at a low dose somewhere?
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    Their is a 19Nor-Tren based product as well. the same compound as the estra but I see this one as well.

    Good Write up on the Tren Compounds.
    "Tren" Designer Information / Write-Up
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilPsychotic View Post
    X2, all good choices. My next cycle is going to be epi/bold.
    Because epi is pretty androgenic, you want to go with something that is more anabolic and less androgenic.
    epi is more anabolic than androgenic, its very anabolic at least the numbers say that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxer82 View Post
    I'd like to see you stack it with some hard training and a lot of calories
    he has already ran 3 cycles of havoc/epi...... its time to move on or stack imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwell600 View Post
    what the hell. p-plex it is

    havoc 30/30/30/30
    pplex 20/20/30/30

    pct:
    nolva 20/20/20/20 (suggest different dosing?)
    DTHC
    Lean Xtreme
    i have some 6 oxo, throw that in there at a low dose somewhere?
    40/20/20/10 and i would do the 6oxo week 4 then continue for 4 weeks after pct tapering down.

    i have used the 17bmethoxy and the estra4 both arent too impressive to me. Ill probably never do either again. The estra was in SUS500 so it was a blend with MaxLMG, maybe i didnt dose it high enough.
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    pheraplex/havoc. End of story.

    I will do it soon.

    Pheraplex is wet, havoc is dry...many consider running an anti-e with pheraplex. Havoc is the perfect Anti-E with anabolic properties. Phera will support the joints that havoc likes to wreck. Phera will aid in the sex drive boost than many loose with Havoc. Havoc will possibly counteract the prolactin effects of pheraplex by reducing estrogen that is needed for proclactin gyno.

    However, this will require clomid or toremifene for pct as nolva raises progestin/prolactin which are elevated possibly by pheraplex.

    Havoc - 20/20/20/30
    Pheraplex 20/20/30/30
    L-Dopa and P-5-P throughout cycle and PCT
    PCT - Toremifene 120,90,60,30
    Reversitol starting day 14 - 3/2/2/1
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    Thumbs up somethin' WET!!


    Phera Flex or D-Bol!
    You definately don't want ANYTHING dry at all!!
    I'm going Superdrol and Phera next cycle ,next year. Havoc by itself was fantastic but the joints are still paying for it a full week into PCT!
    I've read many stacking D-Bol and with GREAT results. Check Thundergods post!
    I was expecting D-Bol but it fell through and I made very substantial gains from Havoc alone with a little MMV2 thrown into the last two weeks on. Good luck and I feel you made a great choice. I'm not sure if you should try another compound all together instead of the Havoc just to switch things up. I've read that if you use the same compound for multiple cycles gains are not as prevelent. I'm not 100% but I've read about it on numerous occasions. Cheers, angel77
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    If I ever run havoc solo again, Ill make sure to stack with my girlfriends birth control. That way the joints will feel better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    epi is more anabolic than androgenic, its very anabolic at least the numbers say that.
    Yeah, it is extremely anabolic, but is also more than modeerately androgenic, comparable to 1-test in that area.
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    wat do u guys think of a havoc/mdrol stack

    havoc 20/30/30/30
    mdrol 0/10/20/20
    ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by doyoudo911 View Post
    wat do u guys think of a havoc/mdrol stack

    havoc 20/30/30/30
    mdrol 0/10/20/20
    ???
    no smart in my opinion. have you run mdrol solo?
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    yea i ran mdrol solo...i was org gonna bridge both mdrol and pplex but i decided just to go wit mdrol...gained 5 lbs not bad, considering my diet was very bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by monsterbox View Post
    pheraplex/havoc. End of story.

    However, this will require clomid or toremifene for pct as nolva raises progestin/prolactin which are elevated possibly by pheraplex.

    JW,Where is this information coming from? I have heard this on quite a few forums lately, but some people I consider to be well informed about these issues have regularly refuted it.
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    poopypants is running epistane (same as havoc) with 1-t in a log right now, Im gonna keep an eye on that cycle and maybe run the 1-t with my havoc cycle in a few months.
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