1, 4 andro

[scotty2]

I noticed 1fast is having a sale on the 1,4 andro. I'm waiting for the T1 pro to be available to start my cycle. This being my first cycle, is it a good idea to include the 1, 4 andro? Will there be 1, 4 andro offered here at a similar or better price? I'm not all that familiar with the 1, 4 andro, anybody have suggestions?

[Chemo]

1,4 is a great oral PH that gives very lean gains. Most are happy with the results but had to ingest upwards of 600-900 mg per day (which can get very expensive). IMO, oral 1,4-andro should be used to increase appetite and transdermal *anything* to grow. Of course, *anything* should be 1-test and/or 4-AD as this is the most effective out there now...

I will be offering 1,4-DIOL precapped at 100 mg x 60 caps for $30. This is a little more expensive than what 1fast is currently selling his for two reasons:

• I could not get more than 1 kilo capped (already purchased kilos of other powders) so this drove up the price somewhat for me.
• I have decided to offer the 1,4-DIOL and not the cheaper 1,4-DIONE. It costs almost twice as much to purchase the DIOL powder and this is reflected in the price.

Also, to illicit the appetite increase this lower dose will be effective --> 1fast's 1,4 is focused on lean mass growth as a standalone PH supplement whereas mine is targeted at letting your own appetite drive your growth (plus some 1-test )

Chemo

[scotty2]

And if appetite is of no concern? I currently consume about 4200 cals/day and am still hungry. Should I just stick eith the T1 pro?

[scotty2]

Also, I noticed that it is advised to stay on 1, 4 andro for about 8 weeks. If I do T1 pro for 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, 4 weeks on cycle, how would you suggest 1, 4 andro be included?

[Alpha Dog]

Originally posted by Big Daddy Chemo
I have decided to offer the 1,4-DIOL and not the cheaper 1,4-DIONE. It costs almost twice as much to purchase the DIOL powder and this is reflected in the price.

Is it worth it at twice the price? I have seen it argued (by Bill L. and others) that with the case of 1,4 Ando, the dione is the better choice of the two. Big Cat argued in his original prohormone article in favor of the diol version. So whats up?

[Chemo]

I chose the diol modification for a few reasons...believe me...paying twice the amount for the powder was not something I wanted to do but felt it would make for a better product for the bros.

I consulted with a professor and several peers and solicited their opinions on both the dione and diol. The molecule (in general, regardless of whether it is a dione or diol) should prefer to have either a keto group at C3 or an aromatic alpha ring.

Chemo

[ndn diablo]

Chemo, any idea on what the conversion rate is on 1,4andro diol? or is the same as dione?

[Chemo]

Is anyone else having trouble with the quick reply down at the bottom of the page??

[dg806]

Is it not suppose to be 45%?

[Alpha Dog]

[i]......The molecule (in general, regardless of whether it is a dione or diol) should prefer to have either a keto group at C3 or an aromatic alpha ring. [/B]

errrrrrr. Yea. I got it. So the diol's better.

Or no. ugggg.

OK, I have no idea what you said. Me feel not so smart anymore.

Can you dumb that statement down a bit?

[Matthew D]

Okay I can help with part of it bow.. the C3 carbon is the 3rd carbon in the chain that makes up 1-test and an aromatic ring is ? Okay I forgot that part from organic chem.

[dg806]

Ok....next question. If you buy pre-capped 1,4 say from Molecular at 100 mg/capsule. It has filler in it right? So, if you buy the powder and cap it yourself at 100mg/capsule, how much more 1,4 are you getting??? (Need to know this in case I want to cap my own, I know how many to take)

[curt2go]

Good question. I have lway wondered that? Talk to ya!

[Lifeguard]

Originally posted by dg806
Ok....next question. If you buy pre-capped 1,4 say from Molecular at 100 mg/capsule. It has filler in it right? So, if you buy the powder and cap it yourself at 100mg/capsule, how much more 1,4 are you getting??? (Need to know this in case I want to cap my own, I know how many to take)

I would think that you are getting 100mg/capsule regardless of the filler or not, JMO

[Resolute]

Originally posted by dg806
Ok....next question. If you buy pre-capped 1,4 say from Molecular at 100 mg/capsule. It has filler in it right? So, if you buy the powder and cap it yourself at 100mg/capsule, how much more 1,4 are you getting??? (Need to know this in case I want to cap my own, I know how many to take)

I would think the equation (beginning product-left over product)/(# of caps filled), would give you a good estimate on mg/cap.

[DevilSmack]

I think at four dollars a gram 1,4-andro cost too much. Heck you can buy QV Bold 200 (10ml, 200mg) for $90.00 if you know where to get it and are willing to take the risk of using illegal androgens.

[curt2go]

And stick a needle in your leg!!!!! Talk to ya...

[Lifeguard]

Originally posted by DevilSmack
I think at four dollars a gram 1,4-andro cost too much. Heck you can buy QV Bold 200 (10ml, 200mg) for $90.00 if you know where to get it and are willing to take the risk of using illegal androgens.

You're my kind of guy!

[ndn diablo]

Originally posted by dg806
Ok....next question. If you buy pre-capped 1,4 say from Molecular at 100 mg/capsule. It has filler in it right? So, if you buy the powder and cap it yourself at 100mg/capsule, how much more 1,4 are you getting??? (Need to know this in case I want to cap my own, I know how many to take)

The filler is just simply inactive material that is there simply there to fill up the rest of the capsule. If your bottle says one capsule contains 100mg, then each capsule will contain 100mg active material (that is unless you bought the product from HDT).

[Lifeguard]

Originally posted by ndn diablo


(that is unless you bought the product from HDT).

HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

ROFLMFAO

Thats some funny ****!!