1, 4 andro

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  1. Molecular makes Boldione. Who make Boldiol? Looking at 1AD and 1,4 andro, what is the advantage of each over the other? I have read the big cat article. Boldione is supposed to help increase red blood cells, and help endurance. It might be more androgenic?


  2. No, Boldione is less androgenic than androst-1-ene(1-test) or 1-Ad and 4-AD.
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  3. An interesting thread on 1,4Adiol and its disadvantages...

    It's scary when Pat and Bill agree, even if for different reasons.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hlight=boldiol

  4. The previous post was in no way meant to insult your judgement Chemo, just wanted your feedback on what Pat and Bill had to say, if you, or anybody else have anything to add.

  5. First, let me paraphrase what they were saying and then chime in my opinion:

    PA: The bioavailability should be similiar or the same between the diol and dione.
    PA: 1,4-diol MAY have estrogenic activity in the unconverted form. [Chemo note: EQ or boldone is known to be a rather aromatic compound to begin with so this is no departure from reality]
    Bill: 1,4-dione works well enough...WHY even consider the diol?

    My opinion:
    Since the parent compound is know to be rather aromatic it is no surprise that the diol (and dione) would be similiar with respect to intrinsic activity. This cannot be an argument since it applies to both equally. I firmly believe in the AA effects of the compound(s) in the UNCONVERTED forms...my experience with injected 4-AD convince me of this. If it applies to 4-AD it should also apply to 1,4. So this suggsets that both are equally bioavailable, aromatic, and somewhat active in the unconverted state. Now it comes down to which will convert to the parent compound at a faster rate. I believe that both compounds will have similiar activity and the one factor that will separate the two, in terms of effectiveness, will be enzymatic conversion to the parent compound. This is basically the 3-HSD VS 17-HSD argument at this point.

    Now, keep this in mind --> the intended use of the 1,4-diol is not for the mass gaining anabolic effects but rather the appetite increase that characterizes it. I will be stacking this with a 1-test product so the lion's share of anabolic activity will be done by that...the 1,4 will give the appetite increase that will facilitate the nitrogen requirements. Also, the estrogenic activity will be a welcomed addition for overall mass gain.

    Chemo
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  6. If I am going moderate dosing on T-1 Pro what amount of Boldione should I use daily.  Decided to add it to my cycle even though I won't begin the Boldione until one week into cycle.  Thanks.

  7. Originally posted by deaconbill
    If I am going moderate dosing on T-1 Pro what amount of Boldione should I use daily.  Decided to add it to my cycle even though I won't begin the Boldione until one week into cycle.  Thanks.
    I've been on 600 mg daily for a few days now and my appetite is intense.  I'm at 6 meals and still can't get enough...that's why I'm here at 2 AM --> eating and typing

    Chemo

  8. Awesome.  Can't wait till mine comes in.  I'm still up too.

  9. Originally posted by Big Daddy Chemo


    I've been on 600 mg daily for a few days now and my appetite is intense.  I'm at 6 meals and still can't get enough...that's why I'm here at 2 AM --> eating and typing

    Chemo
    On another post in the Cycle Length(I think?) forum, you said it only took 4 days and you had an intense appetite with the DIOL, rather than a week(in your experience) with the DIONE? Hmmmm.... very interesting. This has major promise for 2 on 2 off guys like me, who don't allow enough time, in most opinions, for 1,4 to be worthwhile. Is the standard muscle hardening occuring as well, in this short time frame? Also, could 1,4 be frontloaded to feel the effects even sooner than 4 days in? As if that wasn't soon enough

    Of course, an increase in my appetite might scare the **** out of some people. It's 3 am, and of course... I'm up eating. As if the meals every 2 hours from 8 am to midnite weren't enough

  10. Come Wednesday, I will be on 1,4 for two weeks. I have been eating like crazy. I stepped on the scales this morning and I have gained 7-8 lbs! (note: I am stacking it with super one+)

  11. Originally posted by BrKonman
    Is the standard muscle hardening occuring as well, in this short time frame? Also, could 1,4 be frontloaded to feel the effects even sooner than 4 days in?
    I haven't noticed any of the vascularity and hardening effects of 1,4 but it may be masked somewhat by the high levels of 1-test.

    Chemo

  12. My 1, 4 Andro cycle stopped as quickly as it started. Something went haywire in my sytem and I got sick. I was stacking it with 7keto. I have stopped both and now I'm on to Super ONE+ for 4 weeks.

    I really want to do 1, 4 but I will have to start at lower dose and titrade up instead of going straight to 300mg doses.

  13. So, if you do a 4 week cycle of either T1 or T1 pro and you want to stack it with 1,4 andro for how long should you run the 1,4 andro? And at what doses( 600-900???)?
    Thanks

  14. Originally posted by antonio
    So, if you do a 4 week cycle of either T1 or T1 pro and you want to stack it with 1,4 andro for how long should you run the 1,4 andro? And at what doses( 600-900???)?
    Thanks
    1, 4 is a PH that should be ran for as long as possible within the context of a cycle so if your cycle is 4 weeks then run it the whole time.

    Your dosage depends somewhat on which 1, 4 product you buy. But at least 200mg 3 times a day seems to be the low end of the dosing scale. I would start there and build up as necessary.

  15. Originally posted by windwords7


    1, 4 is a PH that should be ran for as long as possible within the context of a cycle so if your cycle is 4 weeks then run it the whole time.

    Your dosage depends somewhat on which 1, 4 product you buy. But at least 200mg 3 times a day seems to be the low end of the dosing scale. I would start there and build up as necessary.
    Thanks a lot.

    Which 1,4 do you recommend?

  16. There are not a lot of options. You could do Boldione by Molecular and go as low as 100mg 3 times a day, or you could go with 1fast's 300mg caps.

  17. Originally posted by windwords7
    There are not a lot of options. You could do Boldione by Molecular and go as low as 100mg 3 times a day, or you could go with 1fast's 300mg caps.
    Thanks for your quick reply.

    Now, If i go with boldione why only go 100 mg 3 times a day? Only 300 mgs a day????
    And if i go with 1 fast's do you mean 900 mgs a day at 3 caps total?

    Thanks. Hope you can clarify it for me please.

  18. Well there is some interesting thoughts about the dosing. Some believe that you can not get an effective benefit from only 300mg a day. There is some differing thoughts on whether or not you can only take it 2 times a day or if you have to go 3 times a day.

    If you go with 1fasts you might try 2 times a day and see how it goes. That will still be 600mg a day. If that does not seem to be enough then bump it 900mg a day.

    For the money, the best deal for now is 1fast. When BDC gets his in I'm sure he will be the best deal around. I'm not sure what his plans are in application of it as it is the one PH that is better taking in oral from rather than transdermal.

    WW7
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