M-1-T half life

[nostawk]

It seem that there is some differing opinions on the half life of m-1-t.
Iv'e read estimates as high as 96 hrs which seems unreal because at 10mg ed after 2 weeks you should have over 200mg in you!!!!!

So does anyone have any helpful information about what m-1-ts half life is???

[sifu]

If you really searched, you would see that no one is sure not even the guys who know just about everything.


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[nostawk]

I'M aware that nobody really know what the half life is, what i should have said is what are y'alls opininionson the subject?
and why would the half life of this be so long when most orals are rather short?
and if the half lif is several days doesnt taking 10-30mg ed seem crazy considering the amount that will build up?

[Chemo]

There is a lot of confusion as to the half life of M-1-T. It is no different than ANY OTHER 17-ALKYLATED ORAL. However, the therapeutic effect may be extended due to its low threshold. Reference below for some sample numbers to illustrate my point:

DBOL - A well known oral
Let's say someone dosed 50 mg at one time. Let's further assume that the half life is an even 8 hours and the therapeutic threshold is about 10 mg (arbitrary number) for this test subject.

HOUR 1 - 50 mg dosed
HOUR 8 - 25 mg left
HOUR 16 - 12.5 mg left <- Losing therapeutic effect
HOUR 24 - 6.25 mg left <- Below threshold

Let's take it a step further for day 2 of test subject dbol dosing.

HOUR 1 - 50 mg dosed + 6.25 mg day 1 residual = 56.25 mg TOTAL
HOUR 8 - 28.13 mg left
HOUR 16 - 14.07 mg left
HOUR 24 - 7.04 mg left (dropped below threshold ~20 HOUR mark)

This illustrates the additive effect of oral dosing of 17-alkylated compounds. Now let's apply this to M-1-T:

Let's assume that Vida data is at least CLOSE to true. Most will agree that 500 mg test enth weekly is the minimum dose for gains. Now, an equivalent dose of M-1-T would be 40 mg weekly or 5.7 mg daily (Vida, pg 211 tabular data). Generally speaking, threshold will be in the magnitude of half that amount. So, the threshold can be ASSumed to be around 2.5 mg.

HOUR 1 - 10 mg dosed
HOUR 8 - 5 mg left
HOUR 16 - 2.5 mg left <- dropping below threshold
HOUR 24 - 1.3 mg left

Continue into day 2:

HOUR 1 - 10 mg dosed + 1.25 mg residual = 11.25 mg TOTAL
HOUR 8 - 5.6 mg left
HOUR 16 - 2.8 mg left
HOUR 24 - 1.4 mg left

NOW, let's up the dose to 20 mg M-1-T ED:

HOUR 1 - 20 mg dosed
HOUR 8 - 10 mg left
HOUR 16 - 5 mg left
HOUR 24 - 2.5 mg left

Continue into day 2:

HOUR 1 - 20 mg dosed + 2.5 mg residual = 22.5 mg TOTAL
HOUR 8 - 11.25 mg left
HOUR 16 - 5.63 mg left
HOUR 24 - 2.8 mg left

IMHO, the half life of M-1-T will be identical to any other oral. The difference is the low therapeutic dose. Further, given the logic flow above 5 mg is my recommended daily dose and should decrease or eliminate sides thereby extending times able to be cycled.

20 mg is the HIGHEST recommended dose and should be reserved for those with extensive experience with past AAS cycles (not prohormones).

Humbly submitted,

Chemo

Disclaimer: I can be and am frequently wrong...but not often.

[Chemo]

BTW, I forgot to add an important note:

Those taking high doses (30-40+ mg ED) after a few weeks the additive effect will cause the elimination time to be at the 96 hour mark as has been reported. Do the math given the examples above...

...which leads me back to the recommended dose of 5 mg ED. I prefer to dose an oral that is out of my system the day after taking my last tablet. If one were to stick with 5 mg ED they could run out to at least the traditional 4 week mark and the additive effect should still not be a concern.

Chemo

[Chemo]

Reference the attached graphic....

...so you can see the basis for my ASSumptions.

Chemo

[Chemo]

Anyone else with some input?

Chemo

[NO MERCY]

Originally posted by Chemo
Anyone else with some input?

Chemo

I don't think many are going to be able to match your posts . As always I appreciate the information.

[Dwight Schrute]

Originally posted by Chemo
Anyone else with some input?

Chemo

The new Reeses Sticks are very good. I suggest everyone try them on their carb up.


Thats my input.

[sifu]

I still prefer the good old peanut butter cup myself.

[z0rr0]

Originally posted by sifu
I still prefer the good old peanut butter cup myself.

I second that.

[nostawk]

thanks for the info chemo

and those reeses sticks are the best. I bought a ****load at wal-mart when they were getting rid of halloween stuff.


those chocolate eggs with the cruchy centers are real good too.

[nsruffryder34]

I would say something, but Chemo pretty mcuh summed it up.... dont know what to say....

[kmac6225]

notawk is now OWNED by Chemo.

damn good info - even for the common non-chemist bbuilder to understand

[nostawk]

notawk is now OWNED by Chemo

what? lol


that was good info though,
even though it doesn't affect what chemo was trying to get across, isnt the half lif of methandrostenalone like 4-5 hrs and not eight??

[size]

I agree with your assestment Chemo, but I just find it difficult to believe that 5mg is a sufficient amount.

Your math skills are very sound though.

[sifu]

Iam in the same boat. I ran 20mg for four weeks and had great results. Now I am doing the same with 10mg. And 10mg is definately not as strong as 20mg. I don't even want to try 5mg.

[Chemo]

Originally posted by nostawk
...
isnt the half lif of methandrostenalone like 4-5 hrs and not eight??

Individual mileage may vary...your half life elimination time may be 4 hours or may be 8 depending on several factors. It is hard to say "absolutely 6 hours" for EVERYONE. Good point though!

Originally posted by size
I agree with your assestment Chemo, but I just find it difficult to believe that 5mg is a sufficient amount.

Your math skills are very sound though.

Remember, the intent is to gain slowly over the course of several weeks instead of the 2 week mass explosion that most are seeing. IMO, it is better to run a low dose over 4-6 weeks with steady gains than suffer through 2 weeks with cramps, etc. for the same amount of mass.

2 weeks @ 20 mg ED, 12 pounds gained -> WITH MUSCLE CRAMPS
4-6 WEEKS @ 5 mg ED, 12 pounds gained -> NO SIDES

See my point? M-1-T is most likely the first experience that most will have with true oral anabolics. They don't have the experience to gauge whether they need to increase, maintain, or decrease dose. For a beginner 5 mg ED will still yield EXCELLENT gains while minimizing or eliminating side effects (and should be safer in general for them). Vets can tailor the dose to suit their needs...as they do with everything else anyway

I believe your statement should read more like this:

"I don't see how 5 mg ED of M-1-T will do anything FOR ME"

Originally posted by sifu
Iam in the same boat. I ran 20mg for four weeks and had great results. Now I am doing the same with 10mg. And 10mg is definately not as strong as 20mg. I don't even want to try 5mg.

Once again, an individual opinion based on your research. I agree that FOR ME 5 mg ED would yield less gains but then again my receptors are not as fresh as the average prohormone user.

Chemo

[size]

Originally posted by Chemo



2 weeks @ 20 mg ED, 12 pounds gained -&gt; WITH MUSCLE CRAMPS
4-6 WEEKS @ 5 mg ED, 12 pounds gained -&gt; NO SIDES

Point taken. I tend to agree with you on that. I have never been one wanting to explode quickly, I prefer slow gains as to keep all suspicion away.

[Dwight Schrute]

I'm still taking 10mg/day and seeing very nice, steady results with practically zero side (compared to my first run at 30mg/day which was hell)